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Close Nail 25 May 2012 13:09 #1

  • DavidinGA
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I got a call earlier this week that a lady's horse may have an abscess, should we pull the shoe. My advice was call the vet, let the vet decide if the shoe needs to come off to drain the abscess and; to let me know when the vet was coming and I'd be there.

Honestly, the abscess was not a big surprise to me because of the turn out and the fact that the last guy short shod the horse (she has a history of pulling shoes and I think he short shod her to keep them on) and it had a corn when I pulled the old shoes. So I figured the vet would come drain the abscess and leave instructions for re shoeing.

Well I got a call back yesterday saying the abscess was caused by a close nail. Apparently, the vet said it had to be a close nail because, it drained out of a nail hole when he pulled the shoe. I know that a close nail can happen but I did this horse 3 weeks ago and it's just now getting an abscess. When the horse walked away from me she was feeling good and she didn't pull her foot or do anything that I would associate with me causing pain during the shoeing.

My question is; is 3 weeks a normal time frame for this, or did they just let this horse go, in pain, until they had to do something?

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Re: Close Nail 25 May 2012 14:53 #2

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David,

I would have gone out and gotten things figured out and only called in the vet if necessary. IMO you kinda set yourself up for this.

The "close nail caused the abcess" line is almost a knee jerk reaction for SOME vets. Hey atleast he knew enough to call it a close nail not a "hot nail".

To answer your question 3 weeks does seem like a little long for a close nail to develop but its not outside the realm of possibility.
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Re: Close Nail 25 May 2012 18:02 #3

Like Seth said, I would have went and pulled the shoe. Sounds like a close nail, you can pull the shoe, relieve the abcess and nail it back on in about four days, leave that nail out of course. They probably noticed the horse being off a few days after you did him and noticed he never got better.

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Re: Close Nail 26 May 2012 00:42 #4

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Sounds as though the vet called it correctly and it was indeed a close nail. Not so far fetched in the scenario you provided. It is quite probable that when you nailed this horse up, everything was fine but then, over time the shoe moved a bit and this caused that nail top impinge on sensitive tissue. That in turn caused inflammation which then slowly went septic and the abscess was born.

Did the customer call you and tell you when the vet was going to be there as you asked her to do? If not, why not? Regardless, in my custom, I try to be proactive so I would have been at the barn the next day and pulled the shoe myself. Having done that, I would have decided whether or not to recommend involving the vet.
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Re: Close Nail 27 May 2012 12:22 #5

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Me too...if a horse comes up sore in the days or weeks following shoeing I'd rather see it first.

It would be great if a horse would have the courtesy to react when a close nail is driven or clinched but they don't always.
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Re: Close Nail 29 May 2012 11:36 #6

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She never called until the vet had left. There was no way I could get there the day she called and I didn't figure the vet would either but, he did. Maybe that's why I didn't get called when he came? I went and looked at the horse and found that the vet dug a nice hole in sole to relieve the abscess then, recommended leaving the horse barefoot in a stall that's bedded with sand. So they are soaking the foot, then putting her back in the stall. Obviously, the hole is packing up with sand. I told her we'll probably need to put a shoe back on and I told her about a hospital plate but she doesn't want to do it now ( she just got diagnosed with breast cancer so, the horse may be sold soon). I asked why she didn't want to put anything back on to protect the foot and she said the vet recommended leaving it bare until it clears up.

Right now she is duct taping a diaper on the foot once a day. I talked to her about getting a boot to use for a couple hours at a time and about sweeping out the stall and leaving her on just the rubber mats that are under the bedding. If she won't let me put anything back on the foot, I don't know what else to recommend. I think, even though it has a pretty nice barn and the lady is trying her best to give it the care it needs, this abscess is not going to heal up until it vents out the top.

Any, wiser and more experienced folks, want to give me recommendations of how I can help her without going against the vet's advice; I'm all ears.

She did recommend me to another lady in the barn and I trimmed her little POA while I was there so; I guess she's not to upset over the whole thing.

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Re: Close Nail 29 May 2012 14:11 #7

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David,

For the time being, it seems you have done all you can do. I'd stay in contact with the owner and at the appropriate time, put the shoe back on the horse.
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