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TOPIC: Negative palmar angle

Re: Negative palmar angle 22 Feb 2012 15:17 #91

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tbloomer wrote:
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At all times the sole is parallel to the coffin bone as Tom B mentions.

Huh? What does this have to do with balance?
Nothing. You missed the context.
If any bone is crooked you wouldn't want the sole to be parallel.
I don't think the sole cares about what any bone besides P3 is doing. Since it grows from the bottom of P3, the only time I've seen the sole not parallel to the coffin bone is when there's an abscess pushing them apart somewhere.

Interesting idea Tom. Look up "solar corium" when you get the chance. ;)

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The solar corium is not part of the sole? Who knew?

Try reading more of the thread Einstein.
Since it grows from the bottom of P3
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Re: Negative palmar angle 22 Feb 2012 15:54 #92

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According to Ted Stashak, "The adjective "solar" is used to designate structures on the palmar {plantar} surface of the coffin bone {distal phalanx} and the ground surface of the hoof."

If you disagree with his terminology and definitions, then take it up with him and the rest of th folks who've published anatomical reference material.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 22 Feb 2012 20:52 #93

You stated that the sole grows from the bottom of P3. I have to believe you know better.

I can guess what you'll come back with, so, according to your logic and usage, it would be accurate to state that "your hair grows from your skull".


To quote one of your previous posts: "words have meaning". ( a more accurate statement would be "words have meanings".

Now, unless I misunderstand the phrase, you have just been "hoist by your own petard".
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Re: Negative palmar angle 22 Feb 2012 21:54 #94

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Western Hill Forge wrote:
You stated that the sole grows from the bottom of P3. I have to believe you know better.

I can guess what you'll come back with, so, according to your logic and usage, it would be accurate to state that "your hair grows from your skull".


To quote one of your previous posts: "words have meaning". ( a more accurate statement would be "words have meanings".

Now, unless I misunderstand the phrase, you have just been "hoist by your own petard".
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Sorry, no gun powder here.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 23 Feb 2012 02:17 #95

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Rick Burten wrote:
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Personally I don't follow the sole plane, but I do know to a scientific certainty that the sole is deposited from the bottom of P3 and that following it absolutely to uniform thickness produces a zero ventral angle - same as if you set P3 flat on a table. How hard is that to comprehend?

Garbage!! Where did you learn such rubbish.
Say what???? Read, with comprehension, what Tom wrote. His statement is not hypothesis or theory, it is, fact.
No Gun Powder Tom .Well don't stress over it . This American pitbull has never had any teeth.Just a sad pathetic bark.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 23 Feb 2012 02:33 #96

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Do I think Gabino's work can be good; Yes!.His trim on that over grown hoof on anther thread is excellent.His judgement of letting him self get lead down the garden path fruit picking is a poor one.He should leave the Bannans for the monkeys.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 23 Feb 2012 11:36 #97

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owen charles wrote:
Do I think Gabino's work can be good; Yes!.His trim on that over grown hoof on anther thread is excellent.His judgement of letting him self get lead down the garden path fruit picking is a poor one.He should leave the Bannans for the monkeys.
I shall defer to your expertise in adolescent primate behavior.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 23 Feb 2012 23:37 #98

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Do I think Gabino's work can be good; Yes!.His trim on that over grown hoof on anther thread is excellent.His judgement of letting him self get lead down the garden path fruit picking is a poor one.He should leave the Bannans for the monkeys.

I hope the new owners of the horseshoes.com website do a better job moderating the trolls. I enjoy civil discussion and respectful disagreement and have learned a lot from the discussions that used to take place among the professionals here. Frankly think kind of ranting is quite a distraction and I feel a disincentive to posting here.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 24 Feb 2012 00:04 #99

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Dances with Hooves wrote:
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Do I think Gabino's work can be good; Yes!.His trim on that over grown hoof on anther thread is excellent.His judgement of letting him self get lead down the garden path fruit picking is a poor one.He should leave the Bannans for the monkeys.

I hope the new owners of the horseshoes.com website do a better job moderating the trolls. I enjoy civil discussion and respectful disagreement and have learned a lot from the discussions that used to take place among the professionals here. Frankly think kind of ranting is quite a distraction and I feel a disincentive to posting here.
Thats your opinion & your entitled to it.Be careful though you just might get labeled a Troll your self! for having one.(Respectful Disagreement)I gather that must of been ment as a Joke.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 24 Feb 2012 00:12 #100

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Thats your opinion & your entitled to it.Be careful though you just might get labeled a Troll your self! for having one.(Respectful Disagreement)I gather that must of been ment as a Joke.

Certainly having an opinion is not trolling. Troll in the internet sense is defined by widipedia as "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

I do not consider it a joke to ask the users on the forum to attempt to disagree respectfully.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 24 Feb 2012 10:40 #101

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Dances with Hooves wrote:
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Thats your opinion & your entitled to it.Be careful though you just might get labeled a Troll your self! for having one.(Respectful Disagreement)I gather that must of been ment as a Joke.

Certainly having an opinion is not trolling. Troll in the internet sense is defined by widipedia as "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

I do not consider it a joke to ask the users on the forum to attempt to disagree respectfully.
If you like George I could start a thead on NB shoeing.Your input will be much appreciated.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 24 Feb 2012 12:55 #102

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If you like George I could start a thead on NB shoeing.Your input will be much appreciated.

I think NB shoeing would be a fine topic for discussion although we have indeed discussed it a lot here if you use the search function. I sure don't want to side track this thread anymore which is about negative palamer angles so if you wish feel free to start another thread and I will contribute there.

Back to topic I feel failure to adaquately address retained sole at the toe over repeated shoeings leads to the collapse of the digital cushion at the heels. The heels failing and excess toe drive the negative angles. Methods to keep on track at the toe could involve getting good at identifiying the sole plane, use of hoof testers at the toe to embolden one to remove toe or simply a basic tape measure to evaluate toe leagnth.
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Re: Negative palmar angle 24 Feb 2012 13:27 #103

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Please keep on topic and away from personal attacks gents. I have enough on my plate right without having to clean up everyones'posts.
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cyber steve wrote:
Please keep on topic and away from personal attacks gents. I have enough on my plate right without having to clean up everyones'posts.
GENTS???! YOU'RE A MALE CHAUVINIST PIG!
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Re: Negative palmar angle 24 Feb 2012 14:04 #105

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tbloomer wrote:
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Please keep on topic and away from personal attacks gents. I have enough on my plate right without having to clean up everyones'posts.
GENTS???! YOU'RE A MALE CHAUVINIST PIG!
If either George or Owen is a she, my apologies :unsure:
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