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Abcess in Frog 06 Dec 2011 05:41 #1

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Last week I set shoes and pads on a 1 1/2 year old paint as per vet due to very thin soles. Yesterday I was to the barn and the horse had been very lame on the left front. I pulled the shoe and pad. I started inspecting the frog and had a lot of yellow/red **** begin to come out from all different areas. This pic is just after I pulled the shoe.

http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=193&pictureid=5729
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RE:Abcess in Frog 06 Dec 2011 05:45 #2

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These next two are after I re-applied the shoe after talking with the vet. After the horse began to stand on it, more infection began to come out.

http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=193&pictureid=5731

http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=193&pictureid=5730

First time I have seen an abcess under the frog. I also took a video and posted at the following link:http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1560065196

At the very beginning of the video, you can see infection coming out as I push on the back of the frog.
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RE:Abcess in Frog 06 Dec 2011 13:41 #3

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I guess it wasn't "thin soles" after all; just that abcess brewing. Did they throw you under the bus for causing the abcess?
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RE:Abcess in Frog 06 Dec 2011 15:48 #4

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brian robertson wrote:
I guess it wasn't "thin soles" after all; just that abcess brewing. Did they throw you under the bus for causing the abcess?
I was thinking the same thing. Did the vet use an x-ray to determine thin soles(my bet is that s/he didn't)? Is the horse sore/lame on the other front too?

Absent a puncture wound,I don't often see abscesses that are confined to the frog. You may well find that the sole itself has an abscess pocket that vented from under the frog. If there is continuing drainage/lameness, you may want to consider a hospital plate amended to the shoe.
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brian robertson wrote:
I guess it wasn't "thin soles" after all; just that abcess brewing. Did they throw you under the bus for causing the abcess?

No they didn't. When I put the shoes on, the horse was on drugs, so when the barn manager told me the horse was lame, the first thought was a bad nail, because the horse had gone good for 2 days, but when I pulled the shoe, no problems on my end.
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RE:Abcess in Frog 06 Dec 2011 16:48 #6

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Rick Burten wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. Did the vet use an x-ray to determine thin soles(my bet is that s/he didn't)? Is the horse sore/lame on the other front too?

I was told there were x-rays showing the thin soles, but I never saw them. I am also told I will get them e-mailed to me.

Absent a puncture wound,I don't often see abscesses that are confined to the frog. You may well find that the sole itself has an abscess pocket that vented from under the frog. If there is continuing drainage/lameness, you may want to consider a hospital plate amended to the shoe.

Right now the vet wanted it open. I do have a piece of alum in the van for hospital plates is needed. I am up there about every 7 days, so I'll see.
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RE:Abcess in Frog 06 Dec 2011 22:31 #7

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I would sedate the horse.Neuroblocking the pastern and put a Esmarch bandage (With the vet,of course).I'd sharpen my ring knife and I'd cut all the frog.I'd fix a straigth bar shoe wit hospital pad and apply metronidazol and benzoil peroxide.

Mikel,I have an ask for you. I can see in your album facebook a case of keratoma.You put a shoe with four clips.What's the reason for put clips in the heels in that case?
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RE:Abcess in Frog 07 Dec 2011 03:03 #8

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Gabino wrote:
I would sedate the horse.Neuroblocking the pastern and put a Esmarch bandage (With the vet,of course).I'd sharpen my ring knife and I'd cut all the frog.I'd fix a straigth bar shoe wit hospital pad and apply metronidazol and benzoil peroxide.

Mikel,I have an ask for you. I can see in your album facebook a case of keratoma.You put a shoe with four clips.What's the reason for put clips in the heels in that case?

Yes. The shoe was applied before the vet operated on the hoof to remove the keratoma. 4 clips were used to support the horn wall.
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RE:Abcess in Frog 07 Dec 2011 03:39 #9

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I would do a really good foot soak, then clean it up and wrap it for a day or two , use Today for a week and Dursole after that...
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RE:Abcess in Frog 07 Dec 2011 14:48 #10

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we just had an abcess located under the frog/bar here

It was a puncture wound from a small rock I dug out and the horse was in a founder stance from being fed too much grain

he is 27 years old and can't eat the hay they had

so I had the owners put him on 2nd cutting soft grass and he can eat that

we soaked the hoof in epsom salts and betadine then wrapped it with sugardine and the horse was fine in 2 days

then left it wrapped for a week and used just the betadine on the spot and he is just fine

I am betting it is/was a small puncture wound or a bruise of some kind

see how it goes but that's what we did

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RE:Abcess in Frog 07 Dec 2011 16:22 #11

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Gary Hill wrote:
I would do a really good foot soak, then clean it up and wrap it for a day or two , use Today for a week and Dursole after that...

Got'em doing the Epsoms salt thing twice a day.
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RE:Abcess in Frog 07 Dec 2011 21:24 #12

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I am always concerned with these type of draining tracts in the hoof. This is especially true in older horses like the 27 year old in the thread. Focal laminitic events often cause these and these may progress to more inclusive laminitis if not handled.

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RE:Abcess in Frog 08 Dec 2011 03:41 #13

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Dr. Myers;

we changed the hay and the grain to Equine sr. and a mix of minature horse and pony feed (low starch and low sugar 13% protein, high fat) from a sweet mix of 12% and sr.

the horse is gaining weight and looking better, but is low grade laminitic evident from retained sole as well which combined with the rock could have caused this abcess

or from the laminitis according to the location

and I feel they should drop the pony feed and just use the Equine sr

or drop the sr and use the pony feed

feed the 2nd cutting grass hay since he can eat it

could you please advise on what you would do?

thank you,

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RE:Abcess in Frog 09 Dec 2011 13:36 #14

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Is that a crack I see?
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RE:Abcess in Frog 14 Dec 2011 17:05 #15

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DeniseMc wrote:
Is that a crack I see?

Denise,
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I was to the barn today, so I double checked the hoof - no it is not a crack. I don't know what's on the pic, but my inspection today turned up no crack.
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