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pacing tennessee walker 18 Aug 2011 17:51 #1

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I shoe a TW that paces but the customer would like to get the horse to rack .
The horse has flat front hooves and the hind legs are sickle hocked . I shoed the front end by backing up the toe and putting on a shoe with a minor roll in the toe and calked heels . I set toes back on the hind to try and help with the sickle hock conformation .
This was an ex show horse and is not built like other TW horses that I shoe.
Any ideas ?
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 18 Aug 2011 18:25 #2

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Joey and mike prob will be better to help ya on this one......but if it where me I would not set back off the toe..I would shoe full and use a toe clip..and put a very light rim shoe on hind or even alum....but truthfully I have seen show horses that wore the package and come out trying to be a trail horse and imho sometimes if that's the case no matter what was done they still paced they azz off...
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 18 Aug 2011 22:36 #3

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If the horse is low in the withers you haven't got a prayer of getting him to gait unless you put him back in a package. If he's even height, withers and croup 3/8"x1" with turned heels no roll+ shod light behind or bare should do it. If he's withers high plain shoes and riding lessons will do it.
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 18 Aug 2011 22:51 #4

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If he's pacing hard and the owners can't ride there's not much hope.

But, considering what Brian said, a heavy shoe like a 10mm SSP in front, and a light caulked shoe behind is how I like to go for one that's a little pacey. I actually turn most of my shoes by hand and will go with a 3/8" x 1" plain stamp for the front (no caulks) and 5/16" x 3/4" with some kind of caulk behind. (I've been making a lot of c/w shoes for these guys lately, and they seem to work pretty good)

I also fit the fronts full to the toe, and, if need be, either square or rocker the hind toes.

You said the front feet are flat, are they upright feet, or more of a low heel type foot?

If the horse is going to show, you need to find out your restrictions for the divisions they're showing in. Trail Pleasure horses (and NWHA lite shod) are restricted to a 3/8" x 3/4" shoe.
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 19 Aug 2011 15:17 #5

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Joey Aczon wrote:
If he's pacing hard and the owners can't ride there's not much hope.

But, considering what Brian said, a heavy shoe like a 10mm SSP in front, and a light caulked shoe behind is how I like to go for one that's a little pacey. I actually turn most of my shoes by hand and will go with a 3/8" x 1" plain stamp for the front (no caulks) and 5/16" x 3/4" with some kind of caulk behind. (I've been making a lot of c/w shoes for these guys lately, and they seem to work pretty good)

I also fit the fronts full to the toe, and, if need be, either square or rocker the hind toes.

You said the front feet are flat, are they upright feet, or more of a low heel type foot?

If the horse is going to show, you need to find out your restrictions for the divisions they're showing in. Trail Pleasure horses (and NWHA lite shod) are restricted to a 3/8" x 3/4" shoe.

When you build shoes for these trail/light shod horses are you making a toe weight at all or are they even weighted?
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 19 Aug 2011 17:29 #6

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C Miller wrote:
When you build shoes for these trail/light shod horses are you making a toe weight at all or are they even weighted?

I don't use a toe weight unless they're really trappy, and the ones that pace are almost never trappy. The ones that trot are more likely to get a toe weight IME. In fact, come to think of it, all the horses I have in toe weights are the ones that are more inclined to trot.
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 20 Aug 2011 01:18 #7

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Thank you for the great replies . The trainer can get the horse to gait but has to work hard at it and knows the owner wont be able to do it . The horse is not going to be showing just trail riding . I will try some of the options posted .
Another question
This horse has has nice hind hooves , great shape and depth , no sheared heels . Though the central culcus of the frogs is open and sensitive . They dont seem thrushy , and I have not been able to get the frogs to heal . The horse is turned out in descent paddocks and stall is cleaned daily .
Is there anything I should know about with ex show horse's frogs ?

Thank you for the responses .
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 20 Aug 2011 01:51 #8

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Are the hinds bull nosed? NPA hinds are common in walkers, might be a more serious underlying issue.

If you have a walker with sore feet/legs behind you're gonna have a hell of a time getting them to work right and stop pacing. I'd make getting those hind feet sound a priority.
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 21 Aug 2011 15:09 #9

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Grab a hold of those heels and see if you can move them independantly,with your hands. If so, those heels have sheared. Straight bar shoes with a large frog plate or small heart bars will hold those feet together and allow that split to grow out. Some can later be weaned from the bars after a new foot grows in; some others will re shear without the bars.
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 06 Oct 2011 22:25 #10

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Travis Reed wrote:
Joey and mike prob will be better to help ya on this one......but if it where me I would not set back off the toe..I would shoe full and use a toe clip..and put a very light rim shoe on hind or even alum....but truthfully I have seen show horses that wore the package and come out trying to be a trail horse and imho sometimes if that's the case no matter what was done they still paced they azz off...

Yes they need their toes.

There's only one way to stop the pacing-don't let them
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 07 Oct 2011 00:02 #11

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You've indicated that the is a former show horse. What division? How was he shod? What was his show record? Shown by professional or trainer?
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 17 Oct 2011 14:39 #12

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thank everyone for the suggestions , I'm finally getting back on here, I have shod the horse a few weeks ago . The trainer said it was better but no miracle .
Jeff Kozerefski
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 17 Oct 2011 21:55 #13

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So, what did you do?
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RE:pacing tennessee walker 20 Oct 2011 01:49 #14

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In addition to the shoeing, I have worked with pacey horse. I have found best results training in a collected canter with lateral flexation. To move over at the shoulders, hips and backing. The owner will have to ride with contact when gaiting. Training a Pacer to Gait takes a tremendous amount of work. Not just the shoeing. Good Luck!
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