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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:06 #76

reillyshoe
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If you have questions for Dr. Sammy then ask him. You seem to be directing your posts towards Rick and not Dr. Sam.

Dr. Sam has posted that there is a difference between upright hooves with bone angles of less than 70 degrees and greater than 70 degrees. Personally, I think there should be more substantiation than because Dr. Redden says so.

I don't see how any of this has to do with hoof expansion, but if there is a publication to support this idea I would like to hear it.

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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:10 #77

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reillyshoe wrote:

If you have questions for Dr. Sammy then ask him. You seem to be directing your posts towards others.

Dr. Sam has posted that there is a difference between upright hooves with bone angles of less than 70 degrees and greater than 70 degrees. Personally, I think there should be more substantiation than because Dr. Redden says so.

I don't see how any of this has to do with hoof expansion, but if there is a publication to support this idea I would like to hear it.

He answered the question. Sorry to bother you, if you don't want to answer then don't read. Have a good night, hope you have a better day tomorrow.

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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:12 #78

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	I can see how this a lot to do with heel movement/expansion. How about the lack of it? Morgans come to mind.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:16 #79

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	Phil, I'm having a great day. You asked questions of Rick and Tom and Travis....If you want to argue go ahead, but don't play the innocent.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:22 #80

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	reillyshoe wrote: Phil, I'm having a great day. You asked questions of Rick and Tom and Travis....If you want to argue go ahead, but don't play the innocent. This certainly does not have anything to do with Heel movement. Please stay on track.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:26 #81

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	Phil Armitage wrote: This certainly does not have anything to do with Heel movement. Please stay on track. If you have any comments on the study, fire away. I highly doubt you have even looked at the paper.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:46 #82

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reillyshoe wrote:

If you have any comments on the study, fire away. I highly doubt you have even looked at the paper.

I assume your talking about the information you posted in the start of the thread. Ok, in my opinion heel movement is over analysed and given way too much importance. Imperical data has shown me depth or the lack of it and medial/lateral balance is much more important in soundness. Horses with low heels and very little sole depth expose the coffin bone wings and sole corrium to trauma. Trimming and shoeing to obtain depth and protect the bottom of the coffin bone has worked well for me and in most cases this can be achieved with getting the hoof into the proper shape and good shoeing. Simple principle, however difficult to achieve the skills.

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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:54 #83

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Phil Armitage wrote:

I assume your talking about the information you posted in the start of the thread. Ok, in my opinion heel movement is over analysed and given way too much importance. Imperical data has shown me depth or the lack of it and medial/lateral balance is much more important in soundness. Horses with low heels and very little sole depth expose the coffin bone wings and sole corrium to trauma. Trimming and shoeing to obtain depth and protect the bottom of the coffin bone has worked well for me and in most cases this can be achieved with getting the hoof into the proper shape and good shoeing. Simple principle, however difficult to achieve the skills.

Isn't that the basis of shoeing a horse in the first place??

"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall

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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:56 #84

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	Gary Hill wrote: Isn't that the basis of shoeing a horse in the first place?? Yep, but it has to be good.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:56 #85

Gary Hill OFFLINE Guru Posts: 5298 Thank you received: 6 Karma: 4	Protection from wear, then traction.... Unfortunely we have all seen bad shoeing still help a horse?? Not promoting that kind of work but facts is facts...
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:58 #86

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	And I guess it doesn't matter if it is nailed on or glued on.......
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:00 #87

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	reillyshoe wrote: And I guess it doesn't matter if it is nailed on or glued on....... Whatever floats your boat I quess. Most of my clients like the cost of nailed on over glueing on, but I can slap on a pair of Sigafoos if needed.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:01 #88

Gary Hill OFFLINE Guru Posts: 5298 Thank you received: 6 Karma: 4	reillyshoe wrote: And I guess it doesn't matter if it is nailed on or glued on....... Right on Bro Patrick!!
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:01 #89

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	The point of this thread is that there is a difference- for good or bad.
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RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:03 #90

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	Gary Hill wrote: Right on Bro Patrick!! Gary, Some people just post to argue.
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TOPIC: Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:06 #76

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:10 #77

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:12 #78

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:16 #79

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:22 #80

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:26 #81

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:46 #82

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:54 #83

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:56 #84

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:56 #85

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 03:58 #86

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:00 #87

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:01 #88

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:01 #89

RE:Heel movement in horses: comparison between glued and nailed horse shoes at different 07 Jun 2011 04:03 #90

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