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TOPIC: Spreading a Narrow Hoof .

RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 13 May 2011 06:33 #16

I never liked the springs, slippered heels and what have you for spreading heels. What I do like is what Denoix describes as a cure for low heels. (On which it does not really live up to its promise by the way)

Anyway, trim, balance the whole 9', the feet as in normal feet. Than take a rigid pad, like a sandwich plate, or a hard plastic plate and cut out the frog, but be sure to leave the side sulci well covered. Fill the side sulci with DIM and put on the shoe and pad. When loaded the DIM in the side sulci acts as a "widener" without ruining the hoofwall as slippered heels or steel springs would.

In the old days (harness racers) we experimented with mushroom shoes and flipflops. The latter worked pretty well by the way.


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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 13 May 2011 20:19 #17

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What do you think causes a narrow hoof?
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 13 May 2011 20:36 #18

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reillyshoe wrote:
What do you think causes a narrow hoof?

Primarily genetics, then injury (pain, contracture,...), conformation.
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 13 May 2011 20:58 #19

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This is an interesting thread since I worked on one today I'd like to see his hind feet spread some and take some pressure off of his contracted heels. Which I think is putting alot of pressure on the medial and lateral cartilages. This horse is about 16 1, 1150 lbs, QH, and put together from leftover parts. His back is really long and he's a bit cowhocked. His hinds have been contracted sine I started working on him a couple years ago but they have opened some over time. The central sulcus of the frog was deep and closed and full of thrush and it's now more open and dry. The horse is very sore in the heel bulbs and if you push on the back of the cartilages. He's had many different setups including straight bars, egg bars, wedge pads with IM for support and all those just make him more sore. If I shoe him a bit to tight and close to the frog with the heel check and the frog gets pressure from the shoe after a few weeks he get's real sore to, we don't let that happen.

Right now he is in Delta Challenger 8 mm hinds, slight rolled toe, with short heel extensions to the back of the heel bulbs for support. Inside web along the frog ground out so no pressure, and fit with about 3/16" expansion on the inside, and 1/4" on the outside. Shoes are boxed and safed and he keeps them on. Center of heels on the shoe are about 1/4" inside the toe nails maybe a bit more, that's why I feel he's contracted.

He's shod every 5 weeks and I take 3/8" to 1/2" off each trim. He's rideen on trails 5 to 7 days a week ranging from hard pack dirt to deep sand in the dry washes. Not head bobbing lame just sore and ouchy. After working a few minutes he's pretty good to go but it does hurt him. I can make him react just by squeezing with my thumb and forefinger on his heels bulbs and cartilages.

So, will any of what is being discussed here help spread these feet? Slippered shoes, heel springs, IM in the sulcus, bar shoes, shoes fit wide?

Or is this horse just destined to be like this for life? It has me scratching my head cause I can normally get them to spread a bit and be comfortable, but this one has me puzzled.
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 13 May 2011 20:59 #20

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Do you really think so? If I have a horse with a narrow hoof and the DDFT or the inferior check ligament is cut the hoof gets wider....
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 14 May 2011 14:14 #21

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according to that tree trimmer all you have to do is rip the bars out
and drop the heels , nature does the rest
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 14 May 2011 16:33 #22

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Lol tree trimmer....... I have not had the best of luck with slipper heels alone.. although slipper heels with heel spring has worked in a few cases...also my fav set up is using a frog support pad with heel area neatly cut away ..slipper the heels ..put in a heel spring and and pack back half with I.M...drill holes in the pad and over pack and allow extra to push out...this set up is a **** shoot at times and sometimes have to undue it if the horse pulls up lame......and I think pat may be onto a few things and would like to hear more on what he thinks and or has found.....I have often had heel spread then go right back after the fact and think that maybe I was forceing something upon the horse that may be doing more damage than good ..I also wonder is ther true contraction that's can be worked on and is there issues with a narrow foot by some others reasons
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 15 May 2011 06:23 #23

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doc reilly , so the heels spread if you cut the ddft , how does the animal perform afterwards ? can it still gallop jump etc 100% ?
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 15 May 2011 07:09 #24

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chris bunting wrote:
doc reilly , so the heels spread if you cut the ddft , how does the animal perform afterwards ? can it still gallop jump etc 100% ?
chris

Perhaps spreading the heels is not necessarily a good thing.

I think before fix something it helps to understand the mechanical forces causing it. I think of the hoof shape as a result of all of the forces acting on the capsule. If you take the extreme case of a foal with a club foot, the heels might not reach the ground during full weight bearing. Is it a surprise then for this hoof to be narrow in the heels? Would a slippered heel shoe change the hoof shape? Or fitting the shoe with more width? I doubt it, as I think the heels are narrow because they are under stimulated. I think the DDFT is reducing the amount of weight bearing in the heel region. "Loosening" the DDFT seems to correct the issue (DDFT tenotomy, inferior check ligament desmotomy), as the heels get wider after these procedures.
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 15 May 2011 08:02 #25

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i understand what you are saying mr reilly but you are referring to foals not adults . i think a lot of shoeing actually causes the narrowing /contraction of heels . my experiences in s.europe lead me to believe that shoeing too long and wide actually prevents expansion and has the adverse effect of what the farrier/vet are trying to achieve , but there again it is my opinion and also as mr burten says "it depends "
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 15 May 2011 12:17 #26

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It depends, im not sure what the phrase slippering means, its another Trans Atlantic thing again.
The three considerations are;
Hereditary- best you can do is facilitate the way the horse goes.
Congenital- as above tends to have asymmetry involved.
Acquired- injury, work program, conformation, poor shoeing. This category is defiantly the area we can effect most change, and is indeed our job to.
As Mr Reilly says the capsule is a mirror image of the force placed on it. I suspect that the more upright foot can spend more time in the caudal part of the stance phase. In the case of asymmetry between the front feet, the wider lower foot spending a longer in the cranial part of the stance phase. In the cases where you are establishing if widening the hoof is the correct thing to do then you have to correctly establish the cause.
One of the safest ways of doing this is clean up the horses movement, This isnt always possible and allow the horses gait to spread it.
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 15 May 2011 12:34 #27

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A foal does not posses enough weight to overcome the tension on the DDFT apparatus, however the weight of a full grown horse is likely to force the heels to the ground. This is an example of the extreme, and I would consider it likely that the strain on the DDFT transfers a greater portion of the horses weight to P3 in the front of the foot leaving less force on heels and an under-developed, more narrow heel as a result.
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 16 May 2011 00:01 #28

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I've found on the ones I've worked on only the yearlings and younger seemed to spread after the operation. The others that were 2 yrs and old the foot went to a more natural angle but its spread was very minimal. I'll be working on a 2 yr old in the next week or two as soon as the can get her in the clinic so I'll try to take pictures of the progress.
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 18 May 2011 14:47 #29

Does anyone have pictures of this?
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RE:Spreading a Narrow Hoof . 18 May 2011 15:27 #30

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Pictures of what-a narrow hoof, or the changes after surgery, or a slippered shoe?
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