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shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 14 Apr 2011 16:12 #1

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I now have 4 barrel racing horses on my book and each one has either been long toe low heel or shoe's one size to small for hoof.
So far each horse has improved enough for owners to win the contest they entered.
Here is one i trimmed and shod last night.
I didn't know Sharon was taking pictures but she is new to this and didn't take finished pictures. :eek:
Owner is holding the horse.
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 14 Apr 2011 19:33 #2

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Sounds like they got the perfect guy for the job, Bruce! is that a horseshoe ring you're wearing in the last picture?
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 14 Apr 2011 19:48 #3

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An Open Letter to Bruce Matthews,

Welcome to what I believe to be the most challenging form of farriery in existence. I'd rather shoe barrel horses than any other sort because you have essentially the same group of horses bumping heads in varied arena conditions, week after week with photoelectric timers making for instant feedback. After a few runs, you don't have to depend on anyone's opinion to know where you're at and there's no BS involved - other than that generated by barrel racers. Whenever you do something to a barrel horse, no matter how small or insignificant, what you've done will be reflected in the horse's times. In addition, there ain't no formula involved: every one is different.

You're going to find that the better class, the class of barrel horses, the more critical the farrier's work and the greater the likelihood that you'll be blamed for anything that goes wrong - and pilot error, arena conditions, sore horses, and an old-fashioned case of the slows won't count - it's ALWAYS the farrier's fault when things go south! On the other hand, when the planets are in alignment and a barrel horse scorches the pattern and outruns everybody by tenths, not hundredths, that phenomenon will be considered proof positive of the rider's ability, the trainer's conditioning, the breeder's intelligence and good overall karma, it's NEVER something the farrier did.

Still, you've got a helluva start and I hope you find shoeing barrel horses to be as personally rewarding as I once did. There ain't nothing quite like getting one dialed in just right and having it run faster than it ever has. When that horse outruns 'em for five or six in a row, the pilot may even suspect you had something to do with it - or, not. Not to worry! As sure as dirty water flows downhill, when that horse quits winning, it'll be YOUR fault.

Barrel horses would be the most fun you can have with your boots on if it wasn't for them damn barrel racers. Unfortunately, you can't have one without the other. (I've been married to one for more'n 40 years) :)

Respectfully,

Tom
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 14 Apr 2011 21:50 #4

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Hi Tom;

Looking forward to sitting down and listening to you over a brew or cup of coffee.

I am, enjoying the barrel horses. Its the tweaking that makes it interesting for me. I want the woman to win and if they win then I will get more of the barrel horses to do. Not to mention the satisfaction of knowing I made a difference.
That is how I picked up this lady, via word of mouth from another barrel racer i shoe for.

After doing drafts for such a long time, I am enjoying the smaller horses.
So far I have worked on some pretty good hooves.
Nice size and shape for the horse they support.

Let me know when your next visit is to Alvin Farrier Supply and if it fits into your schedule I will come over to meet you. I live just a half mile away from the supply house.

my 2 cents worth ;)
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 14 Apr 2011 23:24 #5

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
An Open Letter to Bruce Matthews,

Welcome to what I believe to be the most challenging form of farriery in existence. I'd rather shoe barrel horses than any other sort because you have essentially the same group of horses bumping heads in varied arena conditions, week after week with photoelectric timers making for instant feedback. After a few runs, you don't have to depend on anyone's opinion to know where you're at and there's no BS involved - other than that generated by barrel racers. Whenever you do something to a barrel horse, no matter how small or insignificant, what you've done will be reflected in the horse's times. In addition, there ain't no formula involved: every one is different.

You're going to find that the better class the class of barrel horses, the more critical the farrier's work and the greater the likelihood that you'll be blamed for anything that goes wrong - and pilot error, arena conditions, sore horses, and an old-fashioned case of the slows won't count - it's ALWAYS the farrier's fault when things go south! On the other hand, when the planets are in alignment and a barrel horse scorches the pattern and outruns everybody by tenths, not hundredths, that phenomenon will be considered proof positive of the rider's ability, the trainer's conditioning, the breeder's intelligence and good overall karma, it's NEVER something the farrier did.

Still, you've got a helluva start and I hope you find shoeing barrel horses to be as personally rewarding as I once did. There ain't nothing quite like getting one dialed in just right and having it run faster than it ever has. When that horse outruns 'em for five or six in a row, the pilot may even suspect you had something to do with it - or, not. Not to worry! As sure as dirty water flows downhill, when that horse quits winning, it'll be YOUR fault.

Barrel horses would be the most fun you can have with your boots on if it wasn't for them damn barrel racers. Unfortunately, you can't have one without the other. (I've been married to one for more'n 40 years) :)

Respectfully,

Tom

amen to that!
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 15 Apr 2011 00:01 #6

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shoe's one size to small for hoof.

Haven't dealt with Texas can chasers, but the cuttin' horses that some clients have bought down there and brought up here would be happy campers with only one size too small.

All my shoeing in Texas was on polo ponies. My wife's folks lived in Midland and I'd go play around at the Polo Club while we were visiting, shoe a few and help some Mexican brothers I'd met work horses. They were just training and selling, but I was watching a game one day with the club's owner and he commented "If those boys could get mounted, they'd be something". Hector, Carlos and Chongo Galinda.

The in laws passed away and I hadn't been there for a bit and was flying to Calif when I noticed an article in the airline mag about a new club in La Quinta, Ca that "had been able to attract such international stars as Hector and Carlos Galinda" - The boys were mounted. Chongo apparently had suffered an early death, but Hector and Carlos are still pro polo players. Couldn't have happened to nicer fellows.
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The best things about the good old days -- I wasn't good and I wasn't old.

The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 15 Apr 2011 02:24 #7

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Looking forward to sitting down and listening to you over a brew or cup of coffee.

I am, enjoying the barrel horses. Its the tweaking that makes it interesting for me. I want the woman to win and if they win then I will get more of the barrel horses to do. Not to mention the satisfaction of knowing I made a difference.


Let me know when your next visit is to Alvin Farrier Supply and if it fits into your schedule I will come over to meet you. I live just a half mile away from the supply house.


Bruce,

At the current rate of sales, I'll be delivering Durasole to Alvin around May 17th. If not around that date, it'll be the first week in June because we're going to Denver over Memorial weekend.

Because of the deer, I'd like to leave Comanche in daylight, spend the night in Alvin, then come back home in daylight. Driving at night on TX 36, between Brenham and Comanche is a mighty scary proposition - and the later in the evening and the closer you get to Comanche, the scarier it gets.

Now that I've explained my selfish motives for wanting to spend the night in Alvin, please be aware that I'd like nothing better than to visit over a toddy or two and I'd consider it an honor to share what little I know about barrel horses with you.

I'll buy the first round. :)
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 15 Apr 2011 03:17 #8

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Mr Stovall is as always spot on with the canchasers, truer words were never spoken!!
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 15 Apr 2011 15:39 #9

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Bruce, ain't nothing I can tell you about barrel horses that Mr. Stovall doesn't know, but one thing I pay attention to is how the horse works. Canchasers don't all turn the same.

Some of them will run in will little to no pocket, and make one move ( almost roll back), and there gone. These horses tend to set pretty hard, and hocks and stiffles will be your enemy.

Some of them will run a little wider and make three moves behind a barrel, they don't lose as much momentum that way, so they think it's faster. Sore heels in frnt, and knees and shoulders will bother ya here.

Talk to some owners and trainers, or just go watch the horse a time or two, and you will see what I mean.


P.S. I shoe alot of barrel horses, but I'm still pretty green, so if Mr. Stovall, or Mr. Hill disagree with anything I've said I'll be all ears.
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 15 Apr 2011 22:32 #10

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Pretty good observation Chad, spot on. Watching any horse work is the best way to figure out what that individual needs, IMO.
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 16 Apr 2011 02:38 #11

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Chad I appreciate the input. I am already aware of the hocks getting shot up.

Two I am doing run rim shoe's on the front and regular plates on the back.

It is the way they have been set up and the owners are happy with it so if it aint broke, don't fix it.

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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 16 Apr 2011 02:58 #12

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Bruce, I just noticed that you were in Alvin Texas. That is where my wifes family is from. If your lookin for more barrel horses to shoe, I'm sure she has plenty of connections.
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RE:shoeing barrel racing horses out of balance 16 Apr 2011 11:44 #13

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Its a small world........
Perhaps when you come down to visit family we can take time to meet up.
Whats her name ?

My 2 cents worth ;)
"you may not like what I say" !
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