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RE:M/L balance 06 Feb 2011 22:09 #16

david a hall OFFLINE Very Senior Member Posts: 785 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 3	cuttinshoer wrote: Flat and level to what? im not that good a typer
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RE:M/L balance 07 Feb 2011 04:22 #17

tbloomer OFFLINE Master Posts: 4622 Thank you received: 20 Karma: 1	I get 'em flat. When I put 'em down, if the barn's floor is level, the foot is level.
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RE:M/L balance 07 Feb 2011 15:02 #18

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IIRC, there have been several studies that concluded that generally speaking, horses tend to land slightly lateral to medial and that has to do with the slight differences in the shape and size of the condyles of the cannon and pastern bones.

It appears that we agree that there is a difference between flat and level, so again the question is raised, "level to what?" It also begs the question "can a foot be level in a canted plane?" IOW, what spatial orientation is referred to when we say the foot is 'level' ? And, can we only look at the foot in one dimension to determine level? If so, which dimension, and, why?

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RE:M/L balance 07 Feb 2011 15:05 #19

Rick Burten OFFLINE Enforcer Posts: 9082 Thank you received: 50 Karma: 8	tbloomer wrote: I get 'em flat. When I put 'em down, if the barn's floor is level, the foot is level. Are you sure? To which structure(s) are you referring? Considering the architecture of the hoof, is not not also possible that the structures seek their own 'level' regardless of the substrate on which they are standing?
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RE:M/L balance 07 Feb 2011 19:01 #20

chris bunting OFFLINE Master Posts: 1468 Thank you received: 9 Karma: 5	matt ,david gills book is good reading especially the chapter concerned about m/l balance chris
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RE:M/L balance 07 Feb 2011 19:24 #21

smitty88 OFFLINE Guru Posts: 6951 Thank you received: 64 Karma: 13	It can be interesting what people idea of flat or level is:eek:
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RE:M/L balance 07 Feb 2011 20:28 #22

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Rick Burten wrote:

Are you sure?

To which structure(s) are you referring? Considering the architecture of the hoof, is not not also possible that the structures seek their own 'level' regardless of the substrate on which they are standing?

They have been putting on healthy stride clinics in the amish country down here. I have been going for amusement mainly:D. They wedge the horse on one side or the other with the foot trimmed flat which would make the shoe unlevel to the leg. Come back in six weeks look down the leg with the shoe still on and most of them have balanced thereselves. Pull the shoes and the foot is higher on the side that didn't have the wedge.

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RE:M/L balance 08 Feb 2011 00:42 #23

tbloomer OFFLINE Master Posts: 4622 Thank you received: 20 Karma: 1	Rick Burten wrote: Are you sure? To which structure(s) are you referring? The barn floor of course. Considering the architecture of the hoof, is not not also possible that the structures seek their own 'level' regardless of the substrate on which they are standing? True. I've seen floors collapse in old barns and seek their own level.
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RE:M/L balance 08 Feb 2011 00:44 #24

tbloomer OFFLINE Master Posts: 4622 Thank you received: 20 Karma: 1	cuttinshoer wrote: They have been putting on healthy stride clinics in the amish country down here. I have been going for amusement mainly:D. They wedge the horse on one side or the other with the foot trimmed flat . . . Well thats a good thing. When I saw the guy 6 or 7 years ago he couldn't rasp a foot flat if his life depended on it.
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RE:M/L balance 08 Feb 2011 04:36 #25

cuttinshoer OFFLINE Master Posts: 1629 Thank you received: 1 Karma: 0	tbloomer wrote: Well thats a good thing. When I saw the guy 6 or 7 years ago he couldn't rasp a foot flat if his life depended on it. Right know it's his son and I haven't seen him pick up a tool yet. He let's everybody else do the work.
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RE:M/L balance 08 Feb 2011 14:43 #26

tbloomer OFFLINE Master Posts: 4622 Thank you received: 20 Karma: 1	cuttinshoer wrote: Right know it's his son and I haven't seen him pick up a tool yet. He let's everybody else do the work. Wow! Just like practicing veterinary medicine . . .
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RE:M/L balance 08 Feb 2011 19:42 #27

Rick Burten OFFLINE Enforcer Posts: 9082 Thank you received: 50 Karma: 8	Well, if Pat Pepperoni recommends him and uses him then......................
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RE:M/L balance 16 Feb 2011 15:10 #28

caballus OFFLINE Master Posts: 2106 Thank you received: 1 Karma: 1	Is it truly level when you put the hoof down? Check for diagonal imbalance that isn't always clearly seen but WILL cause regrowth of higher wall on one side or the other. http://www.barefoottrim.com/2007/balance/balance.htm http://www.barefoottrim.com/2011/educational/diagonalimbalanceofequinehoof.htm http://www.barefoottrim.com/2009/EDUCATIONAL/ARTICLES/landmarks.htm
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RE:M/L balance 16 Feb 2011 18:39 #29

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caballus wrote:

Is it truly level when you put the hoof down? Check for diagonal imbalance that isn't always clearly seen but WILL cause regrowth of higher wall on one side or the other.

http://www.barefoottrim.com/2007/balance/balance.htm

http://www.barefoottrim.com/2011/educational/diagonalimbalanceofequinehoof.htm

http://www.barefoottrim.com/2009/EDUCATIONAL/ARTICLES/landmarks.htm

Some good pictures and some good work, a lot of those pics are not oblique to the horse and its very difficult to be accurate with the analysis from the lines drawn on some of them. At best it is difficult to draw conclusions from 2D photos of a 3D objects but when the horse isn't square on its impossible.

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RE:M/L balance 16 Feb 2011 20:22 #30

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