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TOPIC: Hind Shoes on Front Feet???

Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 13 Dec 2010 22:59 #1

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Hey all,

Got a call from a new customer with a 5yo TB Gelding. She tried the barefoot thing for a few months and the horse's hooves looked horrible and he was off atleast one day a week. Long story short I told her the horse needed shoes. After I trimmed and dressed the hooves it appeared that the horse had a classic rear "Tag" shape in his fronts.I got a pair of Kerks #3 preshaped hinds from my truck and lo and behold they fit like a glove. I rounded out the toe a bit and fit it full around the toe to try to encourage more of a front toe shape for next time around. My thoughts were the horse being without shoes when he needed them led to a lot of distortion of the hoof although the whiteline was nice and tight all the way around.

What's everyone's experience with this??? This shoeing was about 10 days ago and the owner called the other day to say how happy he was and that he had gone on a 20 mile trail ride and the horse was ready for more...Still I know that using hind shoes on front is definetley not ideal.

Any constructive comments would be welcome
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 13 Dec 2010 23:33 #2

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Use what ever shoe fits the shape of the coffin bone.
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 13 Dec 2010 23:49 #3

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I have done this several times, and just like Chad says what ever fits. Hey if the the horse is sound and your client is happy you were successful. When I have had to do this I really take some time and round up the heels, the hind heels on the st croix extra ez (my base shoe) is a bit long and narrow.

Funny you say this because the other day while visiting with Jim poor, he told me he never buys front shoes they just buy hinds and work them a bit for the fronts.

That leaves me with a question. Do you think it's easier to turn a front into a hind or a hind into a front?

I think hind into front.
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 00:13 #4

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I have done this several times, and just like Chad says what ever fits. Hey if the the horse is sound and your client is happy you were successful. When I have had to do this I really take some time and round up the heels, the hind heels on the st croix extra ez (my base shoe) is a bit long and narrow.

Funny you say this because the other day while visiting with Jim poor, he told me he never buys front shoes they just buy hinds and work them a hit for the fronts.

That leaves me with a question. Do you think it's easier to turn a front into a hind or a hind into a front?

I think hind into front.

I don't know which is easier. I often only buy just fronts (the kerck fronts are a little longer than the hinds) or I sometimes by the standards which are a compromise pattern.

I usally buy them unclipped so I can put the clips where I want.

They're not really front or hind shoes until I decide where I want to put them. LOL
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 00:33 #5

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If you have a question about the shape, get a contour gauge at the hardware store take the contour of the hoof just below the coronary and compare it to the shoe shape. Here's an example where a horse had a more or less hind shaped front and was being shod as if his foot was round. I've also had some that were sort of tag shaped, but the contour gauge said otherwise. I don't pull it out for many horses, but it's nice to have in the truck.
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 00:46 #6

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Same horse, different shoe. Neither shoe was mine, but I like the second one better.
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 01:51 #7

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Peters Shoeing wrote:
Hey all,

Got a call from a new customer with a 5yo TB Gelding. She tried the barefoot thing for a few months and the horse's hooves looked horrible and he was off atleast one day a week. Long story short I told her the horse needed shoes. After I trimmed and dressed the hooves it appeared that the horse had a classic rear "Tag" shape in his fronts.I got a pair of Kerks #3 preshaped hinds from my truck and lo and behold they fit like a glove. I rounded out the toe a bit and fit it full around the toe to try to encourage more of a front toe shape for next time around. My thoughts were the horse being without shoes when he needed them led to a lot of distortion of the hoof although the whiteline was nice and tight all the way around.

What's everyone's experience with this??? This shoeing was about 10 days ago and the owner called the other day to say how happy he was and that he had gone on a 20 mile trail ride and the horse was ready for more...Still I know that using hind shoes on front is definetley not ideal.

Any constructive comments would be welcome

Sure it's ok to try and dictate a rounder toe if the white line and coronary band are telling you this. If the wall was even all the way around with the WL then, I would say the pointier toe is more natural on this horse. Learn to read what the foot,WL, and coronary band and p3 are telling you.:)
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 02:21 #8

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Why not, I see front shoes on hind feet all the time.:p

Seriously though, if the shoe fits.....
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 05:32 #9

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Why not, I see front shoes on hind feet all the time.:p

Seriously though, if the shoe fits.....

All my hinds wear fronts.:rolleyes:
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 14 Dec 2010 23:47 #10

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One thing to consider is your ability to recognize distortions in a hoof. Im not saying that you cant recognize them, but most of the horses that could wear a hind pattern shoe or were wearing one when I got there have had serious distortions in the foot. Farrier driven perhaps. But like everyone else has said I find some of these shapes in healthy hoofs too. Be sure your not fitting to a long stretched out toe.
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 15 Dec 2010 00:18 #11

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One thing to consider is your ability to recognize distortions in a hoof. Im not saying that you cant recognize them, but most of the horses that could wear a hind pattern shoe or were wearing one when I got there have had serious distortions in the foot. Farrier driven perhaps. But like everyone else has said I find some of these shapes in healthy hoofs too. Be sure your not fitting to a long stretched out toe.

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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 15 Dec 2010 03:33 #12

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What about left and rights:eek::eek:
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 17 Dec 2010 08:43 #13

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Peters Shoeing wrote:
Hey all,

Got a call from a new customer with a 5yo TB Gelding. She tried the barefoot thing for a few months and the horse's hooves looked horrible and he was off atleast one day a week. Long story short I told her the horse needed shoes. After I trimmed and dressed the hooves it appeared that the horse had a classic rear "Tag" shape in his fronts.I got a pair of Kerks #3 preshaped hinds from my truck and lo and behold they fit like a glove. I rounded out the toe a bit and fit it full around the toe to try to encourage more of a front toe shape for next time around. My thoughts were the horse being without shoes when he needed them led to a lot of distortion of the hoof although the whiteline was nice and tight all the way around.

What's everyone's experience with this??? This shoeing was about 10 days ago and the owner called the other day to say how happy he was and that he had gone on a 20 mile trail ride and the horse was ready for more...Still I know that using hind shoes on front is definetley not ideal.

Any constructive comments would be welcome

Hi There just remember fronts and hinds are only defined by which hoof you have nominatd to nail the shoe to. Hinds and fronts should never be focused on but rather seen as another option for us as farriers to provide a better service.

Cheers Warren
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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 17 Dec 2010 09:31 #14

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Cheers Warren

Where's Victorica??? :confused:

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RE:Hind Shoes on Front Feet??? 18 Dec 2010 05:10 #15

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I was just talking to Bruce (Matthews) about this the other day. I find it a lot on draft horses and am glad to know I'm not the only one putting hinds on fronts - sure saves a stack of effort on turning kerkheart big foot size 8 fronts into hinds. I have always thought their weight has a lot to do with the way the foot develops (:rolleyes:), but also the genetics of what they are bred to do - they need their front toes to dig in and get extra traction.
Rachael :)
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