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Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 24 Nov 2010 22:23 #1

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Hello all! Customer picked up this mini, bought with her heart not her head. When first arrived, he had very elongated toes, retained sole and over all had pretty distorted, imbalanced feet. Amish kids horse. :rolleyes: Both front and right hind after two trims are coming around nicely. But I would love some opinions on the left hind. He was either born with a deformed pastern/fetlock joint (my guess) or it was maybe broken at some point. He lands HARD on his lat side and I don't see any way to correct that. When he first arrived his lat heel was jammed and completely folded over. I have only ever dealt with that due to imbalance, not conformation this severe. I would truly welcome any thoughts on how to maintain him. He is at this time totally pasture sound. What I would like to do is get his lat side growing straight down and maybe keep it a bit lower to hopefully get his medial side engaged sooner?:confused:Thoughts?

First two photos are when he first arrived before first trim the third and fourth are after first trim.
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 24 Nov 2010 22:28 #2

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These next two photos are after second trim. I am sorry they are so blurry. I used my phone which obviously doesn't take real awesome pics. :o It's hard to tell but his lat side is about 1/4 of inch lower that his medial.
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 24 Nov 2010 22:43 #3

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I've seen a few of these little guys just like this, mostly IMO due to genetics. There is a reason they are little, mostly because of mutated genes. It is what it is, don't think about fixing but more about helping. Just have to get creative and go from there.
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 01:38 #4

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I have worked on many of cases like this and I gotta agree with Justin try not to think fix....think maintain. Here's one I did a few weeks back. I just built cuff out of glue(superfast)



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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 03:02 #5

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Thin aluminum sheet metal and Adhere
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 03:05 #6

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Brachycephalic dwarf mini colt.
Chris Hadel (530)559-1160 "practice makes better" when you don't spend too much time practicing the same old mistakes
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 03:22 #7

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Horse tolerated these very well, but shoes were a bugger to get off 'cause i got glue happy. I should have used styrofoam or minimal expanding foam on exposed medial extension to keep him from stepping it off, but used glue. Expensive heavy glue. Horse was assessed/rads at U.C. davis a little later. Cuboid bones(and others) misaligned and deformed. Ibex extensions were applied at UCD farrier shop with plastic plate bases screwed to the Ibex cuff. My extensions were used as templates for the bases. Horse did not tolerate the Ibex+Plastic plate due to the extra thickness of the package, and exposed screw heads, which acted as traction devices. Don't try to straighten it, but get shoe where foot should be. The horse in these pictures was stall confined, (level concrete slab covered in stall mats). As he was pretty young and growing, extensions had to be removed every 2 weeks because it was in effect glue casted (extensions were left off for a few days between setting to allow foot to expand). Pics are from 2 years ago, don't know where the horse is now, or how he is doing.
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 04:33 #8

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Boxnsafe... That's awesome, there have been times I needed some metal between the hoof and ground on minis and thought I was out of luck. I'm gonna have to try this.....

What did you cut the metal with?
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 04:46 #9

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What did you cut the metal with?
Sabre saw, it's aluminum so it's not hard to cut. Band saw is better. Drill holes outside perimeter of foot for glue to dowel through. Consider how you will get it off before you glue it on. I used way too much glue on this one. Glue was removed with half-rounds and dremel. I made a hole in the middle for sole access, packed the foot with Play-doh and glued it up. Play-doh was removed later thru access hole, but then manure would build up there. It would be better to use forschners or hawthorne and leave it in place.
Chris Hadel (530)559-1160 "practice makes better" when you don't spend too much time practicing the same old mistakes
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 12:28 #10

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Thanks everyone!! Mr . Hadel those are very creative! A question for you; did you have this horse in these for a while and if so did you see any negative reactions. Like any joint pain from trying to over correct? I thought of making a superfast cuff, (although now I would just love to put something together like your package) I was concerned that I could do damage by trying to "fix" him? Thanks again everyone, given me some different ways to approach this!!

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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 18:50 #11

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Do not try to fix it, it's to late for that. Do not try to change m/l balance. If you put the right amount of extension on you will reduce leverage on the joints, not increase it. Horse should only be on firm flat surface, on softer ground these extensions will leverage. Start with a superfast extension. I did an Adhere extension on the mini before I tried the sheet aluminum shoe, but couldnt get there with glue only. Your horse has one affected limb, it is a hind, and the deviation is close to the ground. A superfast extension should work well and is cheapest/easiest safest.
Chris Hadel (530)559-1160 "practice makes better" when you don't spend too much time practicing the same old mistakes
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 25 Nov 2010 19:57 #12

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Shoes were used for a short trial. no swelling, no distress, then was switched to ibex cuff w plastic base, which added too much height/package thickness and traction. Second (ibex based) package caused swelling distress ( not my package). Idea of ibex package was for ease of removal. Owner wanted me to reapply my shoes, but we had a difference of opinion over associated circumstances and I dropped her. This plate shoe is just like any other extension, long or short term,too much will cause problems. The advantage of this type of shoe is that it is easy/inexpensive to make, easy to apply. Foal extensions are pricy. and add height/ thickness that these tiny/short guys may not be able to handle. If you have a horse that is less than 3 feet tall, adding 3/8' to the bottom his foot is not likely to help. I think this type of material (sheet aluminum and glue shoe) is only practical on the really tiny minis.
Chris Hadel (530)559-1160 "practice makes better" when you don't spend too much time practicing the same old mistakes
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 30 Nov 2010 09:22 #13

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Elizabeth81 wrote:
Thanks everyone!! Mr . Hadel those are very creative! A question for you; did you have this horse in these for a while and if so did you see any negative reactions. Like any joint pain from trying to over correct? I thought of making a superfast cuff, (although now I would just love to put something together like your package) I was concerned that I could do damage by trying to "fix" him? Thanks again everyone, given me some different ways to approach this!!

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!!
The best way to approach it is to learn how to trim properly :rolleyes:There's nothing genetic about it, just ignorance on minis hooves , neglect by owners & poor trimming .minis are born with very curled in heels & an underdeveloped pedal bone in proportion to the rest of their skeleton frame .Giving them a long toed narrow tapering hoof from the coronet down.Till there pedal bone & short pastern develops over the following months. (Reason as not to tare there mother on birth ) Then its no different a hoof then any other pony or horse . You do not go cutting heels down in the misguided belief this will make then grow straight & not be curled in when they grow back . That will only contract them more. you only removing horn curling in with your hand knife held at vertical doing your best to not over lower the heels & rasp only rounding the toe & rasp only to reducing the sole at the toe region. Then a light rasp over the hoof including the heels to level. Oh and I am a Know all because I know ~~~~
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 30 Nov 2010 17:31 #14

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I do a pile of the little guys from pads and weights on the ponys to the little minis, and the previoius posts are corrrect, fixing it has come and gone. And Jack, im gonna have to agree with you on this one. These guys are born with funny little feet, and I cant count the number of them that are trimmed to short in the heels, or that are out of balance. And most often its the $15 trimmer, or the cheap owners who are whacking away at them. Best of luck.
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RE:Mini with crooked/deformed pastern 30 Nov 2010 21:01 #15

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Elizabeth81 wrote:
These next two photos are after second trim. I am sorry they are so blurry. I used my phone which obviously doesn't take real awesome pics. :o It's hard to tell but his lat side is about 1/4 of inch lower that his medial.
Elizabeth you have not removed enough sole, you have left the toe far to long . you will never improve the situation of the heels trimming the hoof the way you have. The heels are a reflection of to much sole & toe. forcing the pony to have no choice but to distribute it weight back on its heels .The majority being taken by the lateral.
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