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TOPIC: Support or leverage

RE:Support or leverage 18 Jul 2010 17:48 #61

here is an observation:...everyone

when the DFT or the SFT is bowed; there is not a drop in the angles of the felock joint;

but when a suspensory tendons are severely bowed; it does drop the angles of the fetlock joint severely;
and it is what we called on the track as a
"breakdown"; which is a total breakdown of the fetlock joint.


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RE:Support or leverage 18 Jul 2010 17:52 #62

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I didn't realize that the suspensories were tendons...:)
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RE:Support or leverage 18 Jul 2010 17:58 #63

Rick Burten wrote:
I didn't realize that the suspensories were tendons...:)

neither did I:rolleyes:

just trying to make a point:rolleyes:


ps I got distracted; with spongebob/squarepants on TV:eek:
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RE:Support or leverage 18 Jul 2010 18:06 #64

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Rick Burten wrote:
I didn't realize that the suspensories were tendons...:)
Thank you Rick , and the fact of the matter is Phil was making reference to the common digital extensor tendon & deep digital flexor tendon &Tom's gone off half cocked rambling on about the superficial digital flexor tendon & the interosseous tendon (suspensory ligament) which is nothing to do with what was being discussed. so I thought I'd give him a bit of curry for his hot headed approach
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RE:Support or leverage 18 Jul 2010 19:20 #65

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jack-mac in gray, posts combined for brevity

Obversely your comprehension of my writing is still failing you produce the mathematics & the vectors involved to support your claim

Your writing skills are precisely those one would expect from a logician of your magnitude.

Nonexistent.

Its your nonsense theory not mine

Allow me to correct your glaringly obvious error: YOU have claimed a horse propels itself forward under the oft-stated conditions. I have challenged you to provide support for your claim, but none has been forthcoming. Instead, you've provided all manner of obfuscatory blather, digressed into the next zip code, and - in utter defiance of logical discourse - attempted to require the skeptic to "prove" a negative.

Sorry Toto, this ain't Kansas. Your chicken, you pluck it.

& it seems you can't even produce the basic mathematics or vectors to support it, & the reason that is, is that its just plain & simple DO DO.

Granted, your pathetic attempts to shift the burden of proof from claimant to skeptic are reminiscent of the end products of digestion.

gravity the speed the horse is travelling at & the time the limbs are with out a support bass in the stride with the vectors involved clearly show it to be nothing more nothing less then DO DO

You might want to back off a couple of notches on your intake, your mixture is running a little rich and you appear to be frothing. Mind your neck. :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 14:04 #66

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Sceptic!!!!! Lets make it a little more simpler for you Tom. Substitute the horse with a rear wheel drive car travelling at 65 kph with its earth support base being a flat horizontal road & its method of supporting the moving mass (CAR) wheels turning on an axis ,the wheels not leaving the ground & apply gravity approximately 9.8 m/s2 + the speed of 40 mph the vehicle Mass is travelling at & take the front wheels off. "Question Tom" will the front of the nose of the car start dropping to the ground after the front of the mass & its momentum now no longer has support or will it keep traveling in a straight horizontal line for approx 60 ft. feel free to give us your thoughts. :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 15:03 #67

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Sceptic!!!!! thats implying your nonsense ramblings actually make one once of sense, which they don't & as for providing some ten gallon trigger happy copy right borrower that's never had a feasible thought of his own in his life, the mathematics & vectors on a plate NO THANKS , I will simply use the long way round ;)

As usual, you're run-on nattering has rendered your pathetic attempt to communicate impossible to decipher. Please write in English, using short, declarative sentences that express a complete thought.

lets make it a little more simpler for you Tom to catch on your theory is DO DO & substitute the horse with a rear wheel drive car travelling at 65 kph with its earth support base being a flat horizontal road & its method of supporting the moving mass (CAR) wheels turning on an axis ,the wheels not leaving the ground & apply gravity approximately 9.8 m/s2 + the speed of 40 mph the vehicle Mass is travelling at
& take the front wheels off.

Please avail yourself to the self-help references I've suggested or seek the services of someone capable of using the written word for communication. Put another way, you ain't making a helluva lot of sense.

"Question Tom" will the front of the nose of the car start dropping to the ground after the front of the mass & its momentum now no longer has support or will it keep travelling in a straight horizontal line for approx 60 ft. feel free to give us your thoughts. :)

At issue is your claim that a horse's front end plays an active role in propulsion under the conditions stated (i.e., At a gallop, after forward motion has been established, radius, carpus and third metacarpal aligned, etc.) While your seemingly interminable flights of fancy are entertaining and indicative of a full, rich, fantasy life, you have failed to offer any evidence that suggests your claim has any basis in reality. Should you tire of waltzing around the issue with incoherency, please cite any peer reviewed paper published within the last 50 years that you feel supports your claim. Failing that, even a charitable person like myself might view your attempts to utilize pseudoscience and logical fallacies in support of your untenable position as being indicative of your inability to face reality. :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 15:26 #68

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
jack-mac in gray

Sceptic!!!!! thats implying your nonsense ramblings actually make one once of sense, which they don't & as for providing some ten gallon trigger happy copy right borrower that's never had a feasible thought of his own in his life, the mathematics & vectors on a plate NO THANKS , I will simply use the long way round ;)

As usual, you're run-on nattering has rendered your pathetic attempt to communicate impossible to decipher. Please write in English, using short, declarative sentences that express a complete thought.

lets make it a little more simpler for you Tom to catch on your theory is DO DO & substitute the horse with a rear wheel drive car travelling at 65 kph with its earth support base being a flat horizontal road & its method of supporting the moving mass (CAR) wheels turning on an axis ,the wheels not leaving the ground & apply gravity approximately 9.8 m/s2 + the speed of 40 mph the vehicle Mass is travelling at
& take the front wheels off.

Please avail yourself to the self-help references I've suggested or seek the services of someone capable of using the written word for communication. Put another way, you ain't making a helluva lot of sense.

"Question Tom" will the front of the nose of the car start dropping to the ground after the front of the mass & its momentum now no longer has support or will it keep travelling in a straight horizontal line for approx 60 ft. feel free to give us your thoughts. :)

At issue is your claim that a horse's front end plays an active role in propulsion under the conditions stated (i.e., At a gallop, after forward motion has been established, radius, carpus and third metacarpal aligned, etc.) While your seemingly interminable flights of fancy are entertaining and indicative of a full, rich, fantasy life, you have failed to offer any evidence that suggests your claim has any basis in reality. Should you tire of waltzing around the issue with incoherency, please cite any peer reviewed paper published within the last 50 years that you feel supports your claim. Failing that, even a charitable person like myself might view your attempts to utilize pseudoscience and logical fallacies in support of your untenable position as being indicative of your inability to face reality. :)
Does the nose of the car keep travelling horizontally 60 ft when the front wheels come off or not. YES OR NO & At issue is my claim NO!!!!
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 16:36 #69

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I'm not even going to bother wasting my time telling you what's going to get you banned permanently if you post that way again, because you already know. You've already said you were leaving, anyway. We're waiting.

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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 16:42 #70

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jack-mac

CUT THE SH.... TALK

Or what? Will you whine like a freshly made Sicilian widow? Throw yourself on the floor in a fit of frenzy? Hold your breath 'til you turn blue?

Apparently, your inability to communicate with the written word extends to your ability to comprehend the written word. To reiterate: At issue is YOUR claim that a horse's front end plays an active role in propulsion under the conditions stated; i.e., at a gallop, after forward motion has been established, radius, carpus and third metacarpal aligned, etc.

does the nose of the car keep travelling horizontally 60 ft when the front wheels come off or not . Ten Gallon its a simple question to answer ,

You digress. Please try to focus on the issue at hand. [Hint: It's horses, not cars.]

grow some Ball-s YES OR NO &

Do you really think YOUR failure to support YOUR claim is somehow related to my anatomy? If so, seek help.

At issue is my claim NO!!!!

At issue is YOUR claim, YES!!!

your creditability of comprehension of mathematics & physics


As stated previously, please cite ANY peer-reviewed study from the last 50 years that you believe supports YOUR claim pertaining to the role of a horse's front end under the stated conditions. Since you appear unable to produce anything that even remotely supports YOUR claim, it appears that all of your bluster, illogic and nonsensical nattering is simply the result of your inability to face reality and you are, once again, hoist with your own petard.

Mind your neck on being seated. :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 16:44 #71

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Tom you only had to look at the fetlock & the pastern breaking down ward upon the front legs landing to deduce the vector is not of a stagnant maintained hight & horizontal line & from that observation alone with out any mathematics required conclude the front limbs can not just support as your suggesting, but need to "support & power" they have no choice.
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 16:59 #72

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
I'm not even going to bother wasting my time telling you what's going to get you banned permanently if you post that way again, because you already know. You've already said you were leaving, anyway. We're waiting.

Baron Tayler
fine baron your forum keep propping Tom up, let him dance around , let him throw his degrading insults at me , its water off a ducks back & yes I was leaving but quite a few of the lads have asked me to stay a little tad longer, just to even the place up, but don't panic just yet Ill be out of here shortly :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 17:10 #73

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Tom you only had to look at the fetlock & the pastern breaking down ward upon the front legs landing to deduce the vector is not of a stagnant maintained hight & horizontal line & from that observation alone with out any mathematics required conclude the front limbs can not just support as your suggesting, but need to "support & power" they have no choice.

In other words, you have only your unsupported opinion that an aligned bony column is somehow capable of playing a role in transforming potential to kinetic energy during the various support phases of motion between impact and turnover; however, since neither you, nor anyone else, has been able to define and explain the process, apparently one is required to accept your opinion on the basis of faith.

Fat chance. :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 17:26 #74

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Jack,

using your example of a rear wheel drive car, what role do the front wheels play in propelling the car, regardless of speed? Alternatively, what is your understanding of what the front wheels of a rear wheel drive car, do?

Now, taking it a step further, abyone who is even remotely an afficionado of funny car or drag racers knows that when these rear wheel drive vehicles leave the line, and sometimes further down the track, the front wheels are often off the ground(the vehicle is doing a 'wheelie'). In that scenario, how much are the front wheels contributing to propulsion? When the front wheels are on the ground, how much are they contributing to propulsion? How much are they contributing to steering and keeping the nose of the car out of the ground?

Please remember that the car analogy is yours, not mine. :)
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RE:Support or leverage 19 Jul 2010 17:32 #75

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As stated previously, please cite ANY peer-reviewed study from the last 50 years that you believe supports YOUR claim pertaining to the role of a horse's front end under the stated conditions. Since you appear unable to produce anything that even remotely supports YOUR claim, it appears that all of your bluster, illogic and nonsensical nattering is simply the result of your inability to face reality and you are, once again, hoist with your own petard.

last 50 years :rolleyes:, how convenient of you , it remind me of a few sayings, a finger in the pie, a fly in the ointment , do you have a problem with anything printed prier ? or do you consider anyone's studies prier be it horses mathematics, physics, to be of no worth ? all you have to do Tom to prove your case & me wrong is answer yes or no to the question previously asked of you , horse or car the physics of inertia still apply & inertia is what you put forward as your argument of support only or are those physics a little to old now.?
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