cuttinshoer wrote:
I don't have a blanket answer for that either....and I know this is cliche' but it depends...and this is something that I still struggle to understand as well as I would like...I thought I had it all figured out until about a year ago when Mr. Pethick pointed out some things that made me realize that I don't have a friggin' clue like I thought I did. For example, on my previous post, I stated that I used the lateral support to try to help the horse go more toward the center or medial aspect of its toe...I am not 100% certain that is the right thing to do. For instance, what if the horse is going and dragging lateral toe because it is sore somewhere or compensating for something else? By me encouraging it to go away from lateral toe and to stop dragging, maybe I am making it harder to avoid pain (if there is actually any). My line of thought was that at present what is happening there is a detriment to the foot so I am going to try to help prevent that detriment. Was it right or wrong? I'd like to think I helped, but maybe I should have done just the opposite? I've done this same thing before with success, but that is not to say that this particular case will be successful. I guess I will find out later when/if I go back.

scruggs1 wrote:
There's only one way to find out, try it. There's to much "it depends" in this business

hotrodiesel wrote:
Dan,
Do you mean center of weight bearing (AKA Duckett's Dot)?

hotrodiesel in gray, stuff deleted

I have asked the question on here several times without anyone answering it, but does the foot have to be short to be balanced,

In my experience, the faster a horse goes, the higher it jumps, the harder it stops, and the more acute the lateral movement, the more critical hoof length becomes - inertia can be a female dog to overcome.

and why do I see so little lameness, in say an arab, than I do other specific breeeds?

Probably because Arabs are a relatively small horse with a relatively large hoof. Compared to other types/breeds engaged in similar activities, Arabs don't run very fast, jump very high, stop very quick, etc. In contrast, QH and QH-types are relatively large horses with relatively small hooves that do all sorts of quick twitch stuff and are plagued by hoof-related pathologies. YMMV.

scruggs1 wrote:
Yes! I was taught to shoe by the dot. Sorry for the confusion.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
Excellent! Those are very good points.

Cfarrier wrote:Message to jack Breathe deeply, in hail ,x hail & don't beat up on them think happy thoughts think happy thoughts. The hoof grows forward for a Reason!!!!, that reason is the fulcrum in the hoof capsule is one of shifting nature in cycle from heel landing to break over , meaning transference & dissipation of force, stresses & shock wave away from the centralisation of the coffin joint, utilising the sesamoid (navicular bone) ligaments, cartilage & the deep flexor tendon, there is no support gained what so ever from excessive extending of heels on shoes past that which would never be seen on any horse ,& in doing such you are servilely retarding that ability in function on every heel landing of that horse & causing damage to the joint & ligaments , with out this function of transference & dissipation via this mechanism, The coffin joint over time will deteriorate & fail ,The joint being to small in nature to cope with out this mechanism functioning properly.

What is the exception to the rule ? answer hind feet ,trailers, kick out heels & penny weights, for Pacers & trotters .

scruggs1 wrote:


A good question that I don’t have a blanket answer for...other than I don’t know.



I don’t know anything about the horse in the other thread other than what is obvious in the picture. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know what they asked Travis to do with it, or how to go about doing it. I think the horse was better off when it left than when it walked up. IMO, any application that takes pressure off the wall at the heel would be beneficial to the heels from a structural integrity standpoint.



Yes. Below is one I did this past Sunday. Never seen the horse before. They indicated possible arthritis in the RH and WLD in the LH...they also said the horse crossfires. First time the horse had shoes since they have owned it. There is a varus deviation on the RH somewhere in or around the PIP. No x-rays. Dragging the toe off the RH.

you forgot to mention #3 goal, buff the living life out of the horn your going to have to work with for the next four or so shoeing's :rolleyes:do you think that foots going to improve shod like that ?

jack-mac wrote:How about horses that grow heel that is more vertical rather than horizontal? And, for those orses where the heel horn tubules have become bent and are growing horizontally, what is the effect the the afore mentioned force, stresses and shock wave on that tissue.Please define 'excessive extending of heels on shoes'. Is it the same for all horses? if not, why not?How? Is that true only if the heels of the shoe are excessively extended? Is one man's excessive another man's correct?Are you aware of any studies that show this phenomenon?Are you aware of any studies that show this phenomenon? If so, please direct me to them.

Rather then getting in to a tit for tat get no were argument that reflects poorly on both of us , I will let you & others come to your own conclusion by simply viewing & studying for a few moments the coffin joint, navicular deep flexor tendon & where you think the majority of force is being taken on the joint when the heels land at angle & the pasterns no mater what there length articulate downwards & were the bulk of cartilage is that supports the joint in relation to the joint, then tell me what you have concluded Rick PS I apologise for the poor quality pictures

by the way who wants to give me a job over there so I don't have to keep giving my knowledge away for FREE!!!! :D

Jack,

The concept behind these forums is the free exchange of information, ideas, opinions and knowledge. Everyone who participates does so of their own accord and without thought of compensation. If you want to get paid, then become a clinician or start a consultation service that is fee based.

Rick Burten wrote:It was an attempt at hummer, I know no one is hiring Trolls, due to the global financial crisis so did you take a good look at those pic's ? & put 2 & 2 together of what I'm pointing out ?

jack-mac wrote:I know that Jack.I've found that trolls seem to be a dime a dozen and if you give them a place under your bridge, they'll be your slave forever. It just so happens I have a bridge under which there is an empty habitat. Its yours for the taking. I did indeed, but my math gives a different answer than does your math. If/when I get my thoughts on the subject better organized, I'll post them.