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RE:Stifle job 28 Jun 2010 15:25 #16

  • Jack Evers
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Interesting question, Mark, and in thinking about it with my own aging body as a research lab, I have followed the "use it or lose it" - I really do feel best when I'm working those parts. Then with my four legged clients, I've gone the other way. However, "using it" for a horse depends on the cooperation of the owner and most of these horses have been semi retired. Hard to say which would be best.
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RE:Stifle job 28 Jun 2010 17:18 #17

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Mark, Jack. In my view another factor in this scenario is the timing issue. Some may say Load acceptance/duration, which to my understanding does not necessarily equate to increased stress. More of a difference between when and how the stress is received and distributed. Quick movement or movement with more "snap" is often more aggravating to areas of injury.
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RE:Stifle job 29 Jun 2010 03:51 #18

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Ronald Aalders wrote: allow protocols to be explained to others and have them copied and finally have this profession of ours grow based on sharing of knowledge and reason, rather than on random successes that get promoted as "the way to fix this or that". Bottomline remains until that moment comes I can not do my job if I can only use what is scientifically proven.

This is exactly what I was getting at by asking why.

Try the experiment for yourself and see what you think. It is not a 'miracle cure' by any stretch but I have had very good luck with it in general. They seem to be much easier to get under behind for me. I think spreading the work load out over a longer range of motion makes for a healthier joint...unless there is remodeling within the articular surface...or other anomaly.

Another cool thing to see is to watch a horse who has aggressive breakover behind trot...especially in soft/deep footing. Some of them will lift off then bump or brush their toe in the footing about mid-way through the swing. Usually these feet will appear almost bull nosed as the ground wears the dorsal wall back across the toe...and it gets really ugly when someone tries to chase it with shoe fit. Funny thing is that the shoes will wear fast at the toe also. Give the foot and purchase back to them and the bump/brush goes away as does the dorsal wall wear and quick wear at the toe of the shoe...or at least that is my experience.
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RE:Stifle job 12 Aug 2010 17:38 #19

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Wow great thread! I remember at summit there was significant chatter about not easing break-over behind.

I assumed this was because there would be less traction for propulssion but I just recently set up my own slightly stifley standardbred gelding up with a bit more hoof behind and it is shocking the difference it made.

He is the type that would prefer to drag his hind leg out behind him so when ridden you always have to ride the heck out of him to get the hind end working.

Anyways shod him Monday with less built in breakover. Basicially just gave him his entire hoof to work with and he looks like he is worth about $5000 more.

He is swinging his back at liberty and reaching way under with those hind feet walt, trot, and canter. His canter is less lateral... okay isn't lateral any more. He looks like someone elses horse... and well not like a standardbred. lol
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