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Bruising in one hind? 15 May 2010 22:44 #1

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Not a lot of info to offer. Second shoeing. Near hind.
To me there has been improvement on the solar surface since last shoeing. Heels opened up frog is not border line prolapsing and there appears to be an attempt to develop an arch. The bruising looks no better. Heels were curled in and somewhat forward with no appearance of sole depth and minimal wall to remove from the bottom. Non responsive to hoof testers.

The circled area is where there is a lump or roll in the wall vertically(quite significant) that I believed to be created by the curled heel and lack of support? Owners said horse goes great I have done nothing but try to give a better fitting shoe to help the situation. Other hind does not show bruising and is in better shape in all aspects.

I have read the Hock indicator threads. Horse never "complained" when being worked on and I wasn't comfortable with being more investigative. It bothers me that I can't find one complaint from this horse, I know I'm missing something so all thoughts and ideas please.


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RE:Bruising in one hind? 16 May 2010 19:50 #2

I'll take a guess at it for what it's worth.The bruising could be from pressure,The foot is out of proportion and to me looks like the bruising is starting where the flair is beginning on the lateral side and across from flare on medial side,pretty sure the medial side is high causing more undo pressure.One thing I would try to begin with would be getting the foot as level as possible(maybe even lowering the medial side just a little more than lateral side)Proportion the foot better and take the pressure of the break over however you wish(sliding shoe back,block toe,bevel shoe or combo of any of them).Have had horses at differant clinics come in with bad bruising and never take a lame step or test in any way-seems like after we got the foot better proportioned and took the pressure of the breakover(lever) the bruising started growing down.Just a guess,good luck
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 17 May 2010 06:30 #3

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Thanks for the thoughts. Your experience at the clinic makes me feel better.Just interesting how different the two feet are. I did not like the previous job at all but I have a hard time believing the previous farrier was so much worse on one foot only.
Pretty much following your thoughts on shoeing right now. One of those I don't know how to do much more without getting "fancy" and without the horse being lame these people are not going to price that in. Compared to the hock threads the bent lateral wall is not exhibited here.

I will take some more photos in a couple of shoeings and we will compare them.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 17 May 2010 13:44 #4

Something caused or is causing it for sure,a good place to start is getting everything back into proportion,then go from there.Your probably on the right track.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 18 May 2010 13:21 #5

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Most recently, I saw this on some Arabs I was working on. Same owner, same barn, full brother and sister. There was medial/lateral imbalance and I would say a bit of sinking on the lateral side. Their feet had that same bruising, on the lateral side (where CB was sunk) and on the medial side where it appeared to be tilted up.

After 2 - 3 shoeings that all went away. Now I have a friend/client who's horse is bare on the hinds, shod in the fronts only. I see a lot of bruising appear in his hinds and sometimes his fronts. No diet changes, trimming is consistent, so am unsure what is wrong. At first I thought maybe shoes were needed on hinds, but it is there on the fronts too.

It will be interesting to see what you get in a few more cycles.

I hope you keep us posted.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 02:24 #6

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Dam you's people is there no rest for the wicked , ITS METABOLIC not bruising, excesses B-carotene & protein, its dietary / endocrine , the horse is most likely getting to much vitamin A & protein or the wrong type of protein in its diet. or may be the start of cushions , find out what the horse is being feed by the owner is your first port of call.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 03:19 #7

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irishcas wrote:
Most recently, I saw this on some Arabs I was working on. Same owner, same barn, full brother and sister. There was medial/lateral imbalance and I would say a bit of sinking on the lateral side. Their feet had that same bruising, on the lateral side (where CB was sunk) and on the medial side where it appeared to be tilted up.

After 2 - 3 shoeings that all went away. Now I have a friend/client who's horse is bare on the hinds, shod in the fronts only. I see a lot of bruising appear in his hinds and sometimes his fronts. No diet changes, trimming is consistent, so am unsure what is wrong. At first I thought maybe shoes were needed on hinds, but it is there on the fronts too.

It will be interesting to see what you get in a few more cycles.

I hope you keep us posted.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 03:37 #8

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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 11:21 #9

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jack-mac wrote:
ITS METABOLIC not bruising, excesses B-carotene & protein, its dietary / endocrine , the horse is most likely getting to much vitamin A & protein or the wrong type of protein in its diet.
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or may be the start of cushions ,
"cushions"? Is this a new, hither to now unheard of disease pathology? If so, please enlighten all of us with its causes, symptoms and treatment. Or, is it that you actualy meant"Cushings"? I certainly hope it is the former and not the latter as we wouldn't want to think that such an [self-proclaimed]erudite man as yourself wouldn't know the difference between 'cushion' and 'Cushings' disease.:rolleyes:
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 14:04 #10

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Rick Burten wrote:
:rolleyes:

"cushions"? Is this a new, hither to now unheard of disease pathology? If so, please enlighten all of us with its causes, symptoms and treatment. Or, is it that you actualy meant"Cushings"? I certainly hope it is the former and not the latter as we wouldn't want to think that such an [self-proclaimed]erudite man as yourself wouldn't know the difference between 'cushion' and 'Cushings' disease.:rolleyes:
Sorry Rick for that terrible mister meaner , theses things happen, serves me right for playing with the spell check, which has Cushings comes up as being spelt wrong & foolishly corrected it for me , but if spotting spelling mistakes are a upsetting problem for you, I best inform you just encase you read your own post & relapse in to anther state of manic ,Actually is spelt with Two LL have you got anything else of worth to add today Rick other then your pathetic nature, What was that NO !!!!! gezzzz what a downer.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 14:52 #11

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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 20:22 #12

Not saying your wrong,but it's funny that the bruising that I was talking about started growing down and over time was totally gone after the foot was put back into proportion and balanced out on more than one horse at differant times,no diet change at all.Might go along with what your saying if the foot was'nt in the shape it's in or if there were possible signs in one or more of the other feet.
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 19 May 2010 20:27 #13

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My dear wife has a gelding that kicks the panel between its stall with another horse at feeding time everyday of the year. It has a constant bruise that continuely grows down and off, it is the effects of trauma nothing more or less!:eek:
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 20 May 2010 06:14 #14

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jack-mac wrote:
Sorry Rick for that terrible mister meaner
Don't be sorry, you've proven to be relentlessly entertaining. "mister meaner"
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Actually is spelt with Two LL have you got anything else of worth to add today Rick .
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RE:Bruising in one hind? 21 May 2010 00:18 #15

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Gary Hill wrote:
It has a constant bruise that continuely grows down and off, it is the effects of trauma nothing more or less!:eek:

You get my vote Mr. Hill. The only way erythrocytes are going to show up as being deposited in the outer wall is if there is a vascular rupture in the coronary corium. In this case, as far distal as it extends, it is most likely from repeated traumatic events, exactly as you describe. Other possibilities might be a tumor or infection in the coronary corium causing localized loss of vascular integrity. Seeing as how there appears to be no distention in the coronary band, I believe your assessment is spot on.
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