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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 02 Apr 2010 17:22 #46

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Yep. A perfect fit. 75/25




Well Tom, you just gonna talk junk about the last guy or show what it looked like after?
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 02 Apr 2010 17:31 #47

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Well Tom, you just gonna talk junk about the last guy or show what it looked like after?

He never said if it was before or after. LOL:D
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 02 Apr 2010 17:55 #48

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Imagine getting that foot in a competition
and asking the judge can you rough cut

before measuring and he says no:eek::eek:
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 02 Apr 2010 21:52 #49

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PerformanceHorseshoeing wrote:
Well Tom, you just gonna talk junk about the last guy or show what it looked like after?

Proud sole got chemical debridement.

Barefoot and poulticed for a month.





Between me and the vets, the money ran out.
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 02 Apr 2010 21:57 #50

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yeah its a shame Tom we see it all to often :(
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If we want anymore excrement like that outta you we'll squeese ya head :eek:
Mind how ya go now ;)
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 02 Apr 2010 23:10 #51

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smitty88 wrote:
Imagine getting that foot in a competition
and asking the judge can you rough cut

before measuring and he says no:eek::eek:
AND you have to make a toe cap shoe. ;)
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 08:44 #52

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Gary_Miller wrote:
Dry arid climate, hoofs are really hard, most horses are trail horses ridden in a rocky environment (they don't call it the rocky mountains for nothing) most of the time those that aren't usually will at one time or another so there is too much chance of catching a shoe under a rock or a tree root. Besides, the heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards, so there is really not much need for width/expansion with a strong healthy hoof.
The heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards. Is that so, please explain this further , I'm confused as well as bemused by this statement.
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 13:10 #53

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The heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards. (attribute lost)

Is that so, please explain this further , I'm confused as well as bemused by this statement.

Normal growth at the heels is slightly lateral to the hoof's central axis, but normal expansion (actually, elongation) resultant of loading is to the posterior and both lineal and medial.

The hoof contains fluids. Fluids don't compress.

Given the presence of fluids and interaction of hard and elastic structures of the hoof on loading, is the line of least resistance to hydraulic pressure medial or lateral to the hoof's central axis?

When inspecting used shoes (esp. Al), one sometimes finds wear marks on the solar surface of the heels: Are these marks medial to lateral, or lateral to medial? Why is this significant?
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 14:28 #54

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
jack-mac in gray

The heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards. (attribute lost)

Is that so, please explain this further , I'm confused as well as bemused by this statement.

Normal growth at the heels is slightly lateral to the hoof's central axis, but normal expansion (actually, elongation) resultant of loading is to the posterior and both lineal and medial.

The hoof contains fluids. Fluids don't compress.

Given the presence of fluids and interaction of hard and elastic structures of the hoof on loading, is the line of least resistance to hydraulic pressure medial or lateral to the hoof's central axis?

When inspecting used shoes (esp. Al), one sometimes finds wear marks on the solar surface of the heels: Are these marks medial to lateral, or lateral to medial? Why is this significant?
I'll stop you right there Tom. In regards to Fluids , to make a statement that fluids don't compress is to suggest that all fluids are made up of the same chemical property's ,& that they react to temperature identically are of the same atomic weight & will absorbed force "energy" identically. so what fluids are you talking about tom blood ? & what its composition chemically , do you even know the composition of blood Tom do you know its viscosity ?:rolleyes:
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 14:56 #55

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By the way i for got to mention fluids can be compressed !!!!!!
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 15:52 #56

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The heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards. any one that believes this garbage needs to trim a hoof flat, paint it with an ink , place a piece of paper over it and take a print , then re ink it & place a piece of paper on a flat floor & have the horse place it's hoof on it , then measure the two, I thought it couldn't get any sillier then vanishing sand , how wrong was I !!!!!
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 16:22 #57

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The hoof contains fluids. Fluids don't compress.

I'll stop you right there Tom. I regards to Fluids , to make a statement that fluids don't compress is to suggest that all fluids are made up of the same chemical property's ,& that they react to temperature identically are of the same atomic weight & will absorbed force "energy" identically. so what fluids are you talking about tom blood ? & what its composition chemically , do you even know the composition of blood Tom do you know its viscosity ?

Perhaps I should have differentiated between fluids and liquids because both gases and liquids are considered to be fluids. In context, you may assume the incompressible fluids I mentioned are the sum of the liquids contained within the hoof.

Why is this relevant?

Does Pascal's Law ring any bells?

By the way i for got to mention fluids can be compressed !!!!!!


While all fluids are compressible to some extent, liquids are considered to be incompressible because their densities do not change appreciably under pressure.

any one that believes this garbage needs to trim a hoof flat, paint it with an ink , place a piece of paper over it and take a print , then re ink it & place a piece of paper on a flat floor & have the horse place it's hoof on it , then measure the two, I thought it couldn't get any sillier then vanishing sand , how wrong was I !!!

If the circumference of the hoof is measured twice, both times while the horse is standing squarely on a smooth level surface, the measurements will not differ appreciably. If one measures the circumference of the hoof while it's off the ground, then measures it while on the ground, the measurement becomes an apples to oranges comparison that demonstrates only the inability of whomever is doing the measurement to think logically.

Do you really believe the strands of keratinized epithelial cells that comprise the hoof wall at the heel "expand" more than the relatively soft tissue that comprises the bulbs of the heel? Do you know the difference between static and dynamic loading?
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 17:09 #58

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
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The hoof contains fluids. Fluids don't compress.

I'll stop you right there Tom. In regards to Fluids , to make a statement that fluids don't compress is to suggest that all fluids are made up of the same chemical property's ,& that they react to temperature identically are of the same atomic weight & will absorbed force "energy" identically. so what fluids are you talking about tom blood ? & what its composition chemically , do you even know the composition of blood Tom do you know its viscosity ?

Perhaps I should have differentiated between fluids and liquids because both gases and liquids are both considered to be fluids. In context, you may assume the incompressible fluids I mentioned are the sum of the liquids contained within the hoof.

Why is this relevant?

Does Pascal's Law ring any bells?

By the way i for got to mention fluids can be compressed !!!!!!


While all fluids are compressible to some extent, liquids are considered to be incompressible because their densities do not change appreciably under pressure.
well its good to see you know the difference between liquids & fluids, sorry I had to bring that to your attention wouldn't want anyone being mislead , by theses liquids you mean blood plasma, & by contained within the hoof ,you mean circulates , so what are you driving at Tom , are you supporting the nonsense claim ,The heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards, a simple yes or no will suffice.
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 17:30 #59

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
jack-mac in gray, my old stuff in brown, two posts combined, stuff deleted

The hoof contains fluids. Fluids don't compress.

I'll stop you right there Tom. In regards to Fluids , to make a statement that fluids don't compress is to suggest that all fluids are made up of the same chemical property's ,& that they react to temperature identically are of the same atomic weight & will absorbed force "energy" identically. so what fluids are you talking about tom blood ? & what its composition chemically , do you even know the composition of blood Tom do you know its viscosity ?

Perhaps I should have differentiated between fluids and liquids because both gases and liquids are considered to be fluids. In context, you may assume the incompressible fluids I mentioned are the sum of the liquids contained within the hoof.

Why is this relevant?

Does Pascal's Law ring any bells?

By the way i for got to mention fluids can be compressed !!!!!!


While all fluids are compressible to some extent, liquids are considered to be incompressible because their densities do not change appreciably under pressure.

any one that believes this garbage needs to trim a hoof flat, paint it with an ink , place a piece of paper over it and take a print , then re ink it & place a piece of paper on a flat floor & have the horse place it's hoof on it , then measure the two, I thought it couldn't get any sillier then vanishing sand , how wrong was I !!!

If the circumference of the hoof is measured twice, both times while the horse is standing squarely on a smooth level surface, the measurements will not differ appreciably. If one measures the circumference of the hoof while it's off the ground, then measures it while on the ground, the measurement becomes an apples to oranges comparison that demonstrates only the inability of whomever is doing the measurement to think logically.

Do you really believe the strands of keratinized epithelial cells that comprise the hoof wall at the heel "expand" more than the relatively soft tissue that comprises the bulbs of the heel? Do you know the difference between static and dynamic loading?
do you lol what do you think that frog's there for Tom , its good looks, its an expansion joint, how do you expect the short pastern to sink in to the hoof capsule if the heels don't expand out wards, the inability to think Logically, I don't think you know what that word logic is Tom iv heard some garbage spoke in my time from young inexperienced farriers but this is close to taking the prize :rolleyes:
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RE:Heel Fit and Lenth 17 Apr 2010 17:59 #60

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Well its good to see you know the difference between liquids & fluids,


As you learned in a previous lesson, both liquids and gases are fluids.

sorry I had to bring that to your attention wouldn't want anyone being mislead , by theses liquids you mean blood plasma,

All liquids, not just "blood plasma."

& by contained within the hoof ,you mean circulates ,

Nossir, contained - as contained within the hoof at any given point in time.

so what are you driving at Tom , are you supporting the nonsense claim ,The heels of the horses hoof don't flex/expand outwards upon loading they flex inwards, a simple yes or no will suffice.

What part of "the hoof expands (elongates) linearly along its central axis, medially, and to the posterior" did you fail to understand? The only way the hoof could expand laterally with reference to its central axis would be for the wall to be less resistant to deformation than the bulbs. Speaking of nonsensical claims, are you attempting to argue that the wall at the heels is somehow more elastic than the bulbs of the heel?

To reiterate: Does Pascal's Law ring any bells?

On the off chance you've ever examined the grooves sometimes worn in shoes on the solar heel surface, was the wear from lateral to medial, or medial to lateral?

Why is the direction of wear significant?

Think! :)
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