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TOPIC: snow ball pads ,hip pressure?

RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 14 Feb 2010 00:46 #16

Got quite a few hunters wearing sno ball popper pads up here in maine this winter and nobody is reporting a gain in jump height. But then again I fill under the pad with silicone.

Perhaps I should be using Flubber?
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RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 14 Feb 2010 00:54 #17

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everypersonisahorsetoo wrote:
Mr. Perry,

Have you tried this technique? You should not dismiss it until you have. You can't use silicone under the pads it must be the 2 part impression material.

I think all too often we here on horseshoes.com are prone to dismiss a technique that we have not personally tried.

Yes and yes and yes.

Most sacrum/illiumm problems are cause from LACK of TRACTION.

Not hyperbole:eek::p
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RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 14 Feb 2010 01:40 #18

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The effects of a compressible plastic shoe - The Seattle shoe®- on the kinematics of the strides of galloping thoroughbred horses
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References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

Patrick D. Wilson MS, DVM3, Marc H. Ratzlaff DVM, PhD1, Corresponding Author Contact Information, Barrie D. Grant DVM, MS2, Martha L. Hyde PhD1 and Olin K. Balch DVM, MS1

1Department of Veterinary and Comparative Anatomy, Pharmacology and Physiology, Department of Clinical Medicine and Surgery, College of Veterinary Medicine, Washington State University, Pullman, WA 99164.

2San Luis Rey Equine Clinic, 4211 Holly Lane, Bonsall, CA 92003.

3Department of Veterinary Pathobiology, College of Veterinary Medicine, Texas A&M University, College Station, "IX 77843.

Available online 1 November 2007.

Summary

This study was undertaken to determine if the kinematic parameters of galloping horses were altered when these horses were shod with Seattle Shoes®. Analyses of films of six Thoroughbred horses galloping through a track straightaway, with and without Seattle Shoes®, were used to determine velocity, stride length, stride time, swing time and support time ofthelimbs, the percentages of the stride time spent in the swing and support phases, and the arcs of flight of the carpi and fetlocks of the forelimbs and the coronets of all four limbs. Descriptive statistics were calculated for each of these variables. Comparisons were made between those measured from ® horses shod with and without the Seattle Shoe,usingboththe paired-t test and analysis of covariance, which eliminated the influence of differing velocities. No significant differences occurred in the stride lengths or timing parameters when these horses were shod with Seattle Shoes®. The Seattle Shoe® had it's most significant effect on the arcs of flight of the limbs. The compression of the Seattle Shoe® appears to store a portion of the potential energy normally stored in the suspensory appa- ratus and results in a decreased extension of the fetlock. This energy is then released, causing significant increases in the heights of the forelimb during retraction and protraction. Although kinematic adjustments are required by horses to maintain the level of performance, the Seattle Shoe® appears to have no detrimental effects on the performance of galloping horses and it may decrease strain on the suspensory apparatus.

Draw your own conclusions or perhaps a bit more literature search!! I have seen a horse do 100 miles on these shoes W/O ill effects and a snowball pad wouldn't have near the rebound.
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RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 14 Feb 2010 04:19 #19

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The actual date of the above article is 1992 and I really haven't seen or heard of the Seattle Shoe since about 1987, so if you haven't been shoeing for 25 years or more, you may not know of it.
Jack Evers CJF AFA#426

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The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 14 Feb 2010 23:59 #20

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Well thanks for all the replies,
I never thought this question would have got so many responses. I do use the full buble pad and pack with pine tar and hair(dry oakum) . Ray you put it very simple , ice ***** would be more harmful than the pad could ever be. Thats why we use them. The best thing is i'm gonna start glueing bubble pads to the bottom of sneakers and put NIKE out of business New basketball shoe.
Jeff Kozerefski.
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RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 15 Feb 2010 03:14 #21

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I think George had the right idea, Flubber!:D
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RE:snow ball pads ,hip pressure? 15 Feb 2010 20:48 #22

ctlngrdr wrote:
I got a message from a customer saying that her equine message therapist recomended removing the snow ball pads from the hind shoes of her horse because they were putting pressure on the hip. She also said that maybe the hooves could be trimmed differently to help. I would like to think i'm an open minded individual but I can not for the life of me figure how a snow ball pad can efect the hip .(some may say snow ball pads dont allow for frog support) I dont want to have discusion with my customer about this before I inquire about . I'm hoping my customer relayed the message wrong .
Help please , thank you
Jeff Kozerefski

If she is not a farrier..........then she needs to keep her trap shut and comments to herself...... this so called equine massage therapist.
Personally I would have called her up and gave her a peice of my mind. Have done it many of times, and have a rep for it.
jack of all trades and a master at none; everyone thinks that they know your job and never pick up a foot, trimmed it or shod horses for 20 years.
This goes for vets too!!.
linda
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