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What's UP? 28 Jan 2010 23:53 #1

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Here is a case that could be discribed as "Clubby". I will post some rads of both feet.

The hypothesis is that , "Is a 'Clubby Foot' genetic based in nomenclature or pain based?"

****creating some excitement****


Right Fore:







Left Fore:





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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 00:20 #2

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Genetic or predisposing genes. Pain= contributory factor. ??????
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 01:13 #3

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Are we ruling out nutrition?
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 03:40 #4

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It depends.;) Either and/or both.......

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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 12:05 #5

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Rick Burten wrote:
It depends.;) Either and/or both.......

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here is another point; an elbow

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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 15:59 #6

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tell us more about the horse. (age, use, etc)
Justin Hill's Horseshoeing
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http://gorgefarrier.com/

I'm just another guy that play's in a lot of other peoples Poop... for a living I might add
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 17:38 #7

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Luna butte wrote:
tell us more about the horse. (age, use, etc)

3 yrs old, qrt x, loved on:cool:
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 17:39 #8

My suspision is that the the answer is more related to "pain based". I'm not expert enough to accurately read the elbow xray..I'm assuming it is an elbow from the horse that owns the feet in the first two rads.

I've been working with a couple horses and a body work specialist with structural alignment as it relates to body balance, weight bearing and hoof capsule distortion. Nothing scientific mind you but enough is happening to make me question the genetic cause for club feet..or for flat feet for that matter.
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 19:37 #9

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Kelly Parliman wrote:
My suspision is that the the answer is more related to "pain based". I'm not expert enough to accurately read the elbow xray..I'm assuming it is an elbow from the horse that owns the feet in the first two rads.

I've been working with a couple horses and a body work specialist with structural alignment as it relates to body balance, weight bearing and hoof capsule distortion. Nothing scientific mind you but enough is happening to make me question the genetic cause for club feet..or for flat feet for that matter.



Good to hear from ya Kelly, keep warm! here is a pic of the legs:

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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 19:44 #10

:eek: Ouch! :eek:
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 20:41 #11

It's so cold I'm willing to potentially hang myself and participate in this discussion topic Jay. It is unpleasantly cold and windy here.

I don't have enough knowlege or experience to make sense out of that xray but I suspect that would be useful information to intelligently participate in the proposed discussion. I would like for someone to explain that xray to me and confirm that it is the xray of the right elbow.

Looking at the picture of the legs, I'm wondering if I am seeing contracted tendons. The weight bearing leg looks to be in questionable shape from this angle the photo was taken at. I also think I see some inflamation in the right knee but it's hard to tell in one photo..I may be in need of new glasses brain defrosting.

What I would like to know is....did this horse have an injury or is the trouble originating from a congenital condition?
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RE:What's UP? 29 Jan 2010 21:08 #12

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Jaye Perry wrote:
3 yrs old, qrt x, loved on:cool:

I think we have all seen a foal or two up on their toes like the RF but a three year old? The xray of the LF I found very interesting. It looks like the limb would like to do the same thing but the need to load the foot to be able to stand overruled. I guess a newborn can manage to stand up on both toes and that is just not an option for a heavier three year old. As a breeder and as a farrier I have dealt with club feet that were resolved early on with a combination of injections, surgery, and shoeing and no matter how well the foal recovered there was always evidence of the club. I never heard two people agree on causes, but I think it one of the more "chain reaction" conditions that can effect a horse. Very interesting rads, was the condition left unchecked from birth? An argument for the genetics. Or did it develop later? Maybe an argument for the pain and possible nutrition camps.
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RE:What's UP? 30 Jan 2010 01:29 #13

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Jim Sweeney wrote:
I think we have all seen a foal or two up on their toes like the RF but a three year old? The xray of the LF I found very interesting. It looks like the limb would like to do the same thing but the need to load the foot to be able to stand overruled. I guess a newborn can manage to stand up on both toes and that is just not an option for a heavier three year old. As a breeder and as a farrier I have dealt with club feet that were resolved early on with a combination of injections, surgery, and shoeing and no matter how well the foal recovered there was always evidence of the club. I never heard two people agree on causes, but I think it one of the more "chain reaction" conditions that can effect a horse. Very interesting rads, was the condition left unchecked from birth? An argument for the genetics. Or did it develop later? Maybe an argument for the pain and possible nutrition camps.


Good reply, keep it coming....
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RE:What's UP? 30 Jan 2010 01:35 #14

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I think it is a dead horse with rigamortis that you propped up and took a photo of!!! If its not,.. it oughta be:):D
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RE:What's UP? 30 Jan 2010 01:48 #15

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Rick Talbert wrote:
I think it is a dead horse with rigamortis that you propped up and took a photo of!!! If its not,.. it oughta be:):D

you are D q'ed!:p
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