make up natural cara make up make up tutorial make up korea make up minimalis make up artis make up mata belajar make up make up wardah alat make up makeup forever indonesia makeup artist jakarta tips make up barbie make up natural make up make up wajah make up pesta make up syahrini makeup mata makeup minimalis peralatan make up make up cantik make up mac make up kit jual make up make up sederhana perlengkapan make up gambar make up vidio make up cara makeup minimalis wardah make up make up pac make up glamour cara memakai makeup make up panggung harga make up make up modern make up alami make up dasar pixy make up make up muslimah make up oriflame make up jepang makeover cosmetic make up ultima make up sariayu grosir make up makeup fantasi makeup pesta tas makeup langkah make up make up pria make up malam alat makeup tahapan make up produk make up shading make up mak up make up kebaya make up jilbab make up inez make up simpel contoh make up cara ber makeup makeup wajah tanpa make up make up terbaru toko make up mac makeup indonesia make up soft urutan make up trik make up makeover makeup brand gusnaldi make up paket make up panduan make up jual makeup brush make up bagus alat2 make up make up gusnaldi aplikasi make up alat alat makeup dasar make up inez make up peralatan makeup make up wanita make up berjilbab make up tebal sejarah make up make up maybeline make up branded make up siang tata cara makeup reseller make up make up muslim make up maybelin warna make up tips make up artist rias make up make up mata make up artis belajar make up make up artist kursus make up kuas make up make up forever indonesia jual make up mac indonesia make up make up artist indonesia harga make up forever jual make up online make up pac make up forever jakarta make up oriflame jual make up forever make up online shop indonesia harga make up sekolah make up grosir make up harga make up maybelline jual make up murah make up terbaru mak up mac make up indonesia sofia make up make up kit murah mac makeup indonesia produk make up jual make up kit make up store indonesia make up forever academy jakarta toko make up online jual make up set jual make up mac make up beauty jual make up branded produk make up mac make up forever harga make up mac indonesia produk make up artis jual make up palette produk make up forever make up palette murah before after make up pengantin before after make up sendiri before n after hasil makeup contoh make up karakter contoh riasan pengantin before n after harga make up wisuda harga make up artist harga make up forever make up wisuda rias wisuda di jogja Daftar harga make up forever daftar harga make up mac daftar harga kosmetik make up forever makeup wisuda harga makeup wisuda kursus make up di yogyakarta kursus make up di jogja kursus make up jogja kursus make up yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di jogja kursus make up artist di jogja kursus rias pengantin di jogja kursus rias di yogyakarta kursus tata rias di yogyakarta rias pengantin muslim jogja jasa kreasi jilbab wisuda yogyakarta jasa rias make up wisuda murah bagus bisa dpanggil tempat make uf di jigja yang bagus rias wisuda murah dan berkualitas yogyakarta pakar kreasi jilbab di jogja make uper natural yogya make up wisuda hijab area jogja make up dan kreasi jilbab yang bagus di jogja jasa make up natural untuk wisuda jogja makeup jogja make up jogja makeup yogyakarta make up yogyakarta makeup wisuda jogja make up wisuda jogja make up wisuda yogyakarta makeup wisuda yogyakarta
Sunday May 29, 2022
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: Frog ...Blood flow??

Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 12:55 #1

  • Ray_Knightley
  • Ray_Knightley's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 4219
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: 0
How does the frog effect the Blood flow ???
Something I have never understood .
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 13:23 #2

  • chris bunting
  • chris bunting's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1468
  • Thank you received: 9
  • Karma: 5
biomechanics
chris
common sense is not needed when you have rules
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 13:45 #3

  • Anthony_Lawrence
  • Anthony_Lawrence's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 834
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
chris bunting wrote:
biomechanics
chris

That helps. :rolleyes:
Ant.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 14:34 #4

  • Rick Burten
  • Rick Burten's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Enforcer
  • Posts: 9082
  • Thank you received: 50
  • Karma: 8
The very nature of the composition of the frog/plantar cushion enables it to act , through the application and release of pressure/force on it, to aid in circulation. Further, because of its action on the lateral cartileges and their subsequent action on the venous plexus' of the hoof, circulation is created and maintained.

Analogously the frogs are akin to pumps in that they provide a mechanism to move venous blood out of the hoof.

Rick
Rick Burten PF

In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
."


Je pense donc je suis
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 15:17 #5

In post #27 of this thread http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11654&page=2 I explained a possibility. You are supposed to read posts Ray. :D


Ronald Aalders
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 16:15 #6

  • ThomasRideandDrive
  • ThomasRideandDrive's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Equestrian Centre Proprietor, Northumberland, UK
  • Posts: 2514
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: 1
The process of weight bearing is responsible for pumping blood from the foot back towards the heart and this may play a dual role, the vascular pressure acting as an hydraulic cushion to absorb concussion as the foot takes weight.

It's suggested that as the foot is brought to the ground, veins within the foot come under pressure. The pressure forces blood along the vessels and through the digital veins up the limbs. At the same time the resistance of blood being forced through may help to absorb pressure as the foot is placed on the ground
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 17:01 #7

  • Ray_Knightley
  • Ray_Knightley's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 4219
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: 0
In the case of cartilege It is clear that the only way that they can be feed ,so to say is throught compression/ movement and if I remember that the only way..
But Its not clear to me that anything else effects the blood flow apart from the heart ..and the heart pressure/ circulation .

Blood flow is Blood flow and if the pressure was in the game then the hoof/lower leg would have to be able to stop the blood flowing back up the arteria some how ,or that pressure would just push the blood away from the area that is compressed......OR????
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 22:38 #8

  • lonestar
  • lonestar's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Senior Member
  • Posts: 347
  • Karma: 0
Rick Burten wrote:
The very nature of the composition of the frog/plantar cushion enables it to act , through the application and release of pressure/force on it, to aid in circulation. Further, because of its action on the lateral cartileges and their subsequent action on the venous plexus' of the hoof, circulation is created and maintained.

Analogously the frogs are akin to pumps in that they provide a mechanism to move venous blood out of the hoof.

Rick

Can you give us more info on what type of action lateral cartilages experience?
Chris Schaeffner
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 10 Jan 2010 22:46 #9

  • Gary_Miller
  • Gary_Miller's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 2565
  • Thank you received: 1
  • Karma: 0
Ray_Knightley wrote:
Blood flow is Blood flow and if the pressure was in the game then the hoof/lower leg would have to be able to stop the blood flowing back up the arteria some how ,or that pressure would just push the blood away from the area that is compressed......OR????
Not sure where I heard this, at some clinic I guess. But its my understanding that the blood vessels in the leg has one why flapper type valves that stops the blood from flowing backwards as it being forced backup the leg. I think I said that right.
Gary Miller, PF

Ride hard, shoot straight, and always speak the truth.
Gunfighter Motto

"Our level of quality is how well our eye can see it." (Eric Russell, Oct 2008, Horseshoes.com)

"Discover what it is that makes you passionate then grab a firm...
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 11 Jan 2010 04:32 #10

  • Rick Burten
  • Rick Burten's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Enforcer
  • Posts: 9082
  • Thank you received: 50
  • Karma: 8
Ray_Knightley wrote:
In the case of cartilege It is clear that the only way that they can be feed ,so to say is throught compression/ movement and if I remember that the only way..
But Its not clear to me that anything else effects the blood flow apart from the heart ..and the heart pressure/ circulation .
With the exception of cardiac circulation, arteries carry blood away from the heart and veins carry blood to the heart. Blood pressure keeps the blood in the arteries from 'back flowing' and one way valves in the veins keep the de-oxygenated blood from doing the same.
Blood flow is Blood flow and if the pressure was in the game then the hoof/lower leg would have to be able to stop the blood flowing back up the arteria some how
One way valves in the veins of the legs serve that purpose, while the blood pressure in the arteries does the same.
,or that pressure would just push the blood away from the area that is compressed......OR????
Which succinctly describes how the venous plexus of the hoof operate.

Rick
Rick Burten PF

In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
."


Je pense donc je suis
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 11 Jan 2010 04:46 #11

  • Rick Burten
  • Rick Burten's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Enforcer
  • Posts: 9082
  • Thank you received: 50
  • Karma: 8
lonestar wrote:
Can you give us more info on what type of action lateral cartilages experience?
Sure.

The plantar cushion compresses the veins of the venous plexuses against the LC's and the LC's cause compression of the veins against the inner surface of the hoof wall.

As weight on the hoof increases,the thin walled venous vessels of the sensitive structures are compressed between the hard hoof wall and p3. When the veins of the venous plexus on either side of the lateral cartilages are open, blood is pumped in to the venous plexuses by that action. As the veins of the venous plexuses on either side of the lateral cartilages are first constricted and then closed by the increasing downward weight and concurrent pressure, the blood contained in them is pumped up the leg. At that point, any blood remaining in the venous vessels of the sensitive structures is locked in the foot and forms a hydraulic cushion between p3 and the wall.

Rick
Rick Burten PF

In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
."


Je pense donc je suis
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 11 Jan 2010 04:53 #12

  • Jack Evers
  • Jack Evers's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 3399
  • Thank you received: 45
  • Karma: 9
Some of Chris Pollit's early work with a cadaver leg and a load press involved pumping fluids through the blood vessels as he loaded and unloaded the leg. Loading the leg prevented fluid flow through the hoof. In the presentation that I heard, he did not postulate the mechanism that caused this, but if this shut-off mechanism is both in the veins leaving the foot and the arteries supplying the foot it would trap the blood as the leg was loaded to perhaps give the hydraulic shock absorber effect. It would also explain why a severely lame horse will often founder on the opposing good leg. There will be compromised blood flow in the heavily loaded good leg and if he doesn't move around to periodically unload that leg, founder seems likely.

I'm sure there has been other more recent work done, but I'm just not aware of it.
Jack Evers CJF AFA#426

The best things about the good old days -- I wasn't good and I wasn't old.

The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 11 Jan 2010 12:48 #13

  • DavidinGA
  • DavidinGA's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Very Senior Member
  • Posts: 648
  • Thank you received: 2
  • Karma: 0
Ray_Knightley wrote:
How does the frog effect the Blood flow ???
Something I have never understood .

Ray,

Not that I seriously think that I could teach you anything but,... I was told once to think of it like a toilet plunger. When it's compressed it pushes the blood up the leg and when pressure is released it pulls blood down the leg. I also have heard about the one way valves in their blood vessels that Gary mentioned.

David
David H. Van Hook
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 11 Jan 2010 13:09 #14

  • chris bunting
  • chris bunting's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1468
  • Thank you received: 9
  • Karma: 5
quote p 31 "shoeing for performance" haydn price and rod fisher.
when filled the blood vessels within the foot act as a hydraulic system , assisting in absorbing concussion . no major blood vessels are present in or around the frog so that , contrary to popular opinion , the frog does not have a direct pumping action in blood circulation.
chris
common sense is not needed when you have rules
The administrator has disabled public write access.

RE:Frog ...Blood flow?? 11 Jan 2010 13:11 #15

  • chris bunting
  • chris bunting's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Master
  • Posts: 1468
  • Thank you received: 9
  • Karma: 5
there are no valves in the equine leg below the knee.
chris
common sense is not needed when you have rules
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Kunena Birthday Module

  • Chris Daniel birthday is today
  • FordWayFarm birthday is today
  • Hillbilly898 birthday is today
  • Alykee07 birthday is in 1 day
  • Anvil375 birthday is in 1 day
  • Martin Kenny birthday is in 1 day
  • mattsherberg43 birthday is in 1 day
  • missjestr birthday is in 1 day
  • Mitch White birthday is in 1 day
  • ravensgate birthday is in 1 day
  • Tim Neal birthday is in 1 day
  • Tcasey1968 birthday is in 363 days
  • JWHORSESHOEING birthday is in 364 days
  • TheCircleT birthday is in 364 days
  • THOROBREDS birthday is in 364 days
Time to create page: 0.220 seconds

S5 Box

Register

*
*
*
*
*
*

Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required.