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"Balance"? 04 Jan 2010 16:46 #1

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How do you think these articles of human footwear and biomechanics might relate to horses and farriery?

http://news.discovery.com/human/runners-sprinters-ankle-feet.html


The role of research in the development of athletic footwear

Mario Lafortune

The three main needs of athletes are performance, injury protection and comfort. Footwear enhances performance through increases in traction and biomechanical efficiency. Footwear protects the foot at the interface with the ground and the entire body against the forces resulting from repeated feet-ground impacts. Footwear can also reduce injuries by correcting for the locomotor system static structural misalignments. Footwear uppers, insoles or sockliners being considered upper elements, are responsible to maintain the feet over the shoe soles. Uppers fit is most important to athletes' comfort.
Athletes' needs as well as their relative importance are defined by the 'critical' maneuvers performed during sporting activities. 'Critical' maneuvers are maneuvers that must be performed to succeed in a sport and/or maneuvers that have been linked to the highest incidence of injury observed in that sport. Focus group research and surveys help to identify critical maneuvers. 3D motion capture systems, force plateforms and pressure insoles are used to study the critical maneuvers associated to different sporting activities. The results of these studies lead to design criteria that are shared with designers and developers. Prototypes are created and evaluated using the same batteries of biomechanical tests to assess how well they meet the design criteria. Therefore, footwear designed for different sporting activities can readily be differentiated. Gender, skill level, and environmental conditions add further requirements upon footwear design thus allowing for differentiation even within a given sporting activity.
Footwear intended for use in multiple sporting activities represent non-trivial design challenges. Typically, such designs lead to shoes that feature some level of compromise to address the competing requirements of each different sporting activity. This holds true even within a sport when injury protection and performance needs conflict, or when different injury protection needs require somewhat contradictory solutions. Considering running footwear as an example, it is generally believed that shoes currently designed to offer maximal cushioning lack rearfoot stability and vice-versa, shoes designed to resist injury inducing excessive rearfoot motion lack cushioning. Yet, recent research and novel design approaches have shown that the magnitude of the compromises in footwear design can be significantly reduced if not eliminated.
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RE:"Balance"​? 04 Jan 2010 16:47 #2

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I am going to guess that Tom Stovall will REALLY like the first article.
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RE:"Balance"​? 04 Jan 2010 17:23 #3

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reillyshoe in gray, excerpt from http://news.discovery.com/human/runn...nkle-feet.html in brown

I am going to guess that Tom Stovall will REALLY like the first article.

In the Journal of Experimental Biology, the researchers also reported that the toes of the sprinters were nearly a centimeter longer. While surprising, the findings actually make sense, Piazza said. With smaller Achilles lever arms, the calf muscles have less leverage but more force because they don't have to shorten as much or as quickly with every stride. Longer toes, Piazza added, provide more contact with the ground for a more effective push-off.

Anatomically, it's always hazardous to compare quadrupeds to bipeds, especially when one of 'em walks on a structure analogous to the human middle fingernail, but you guessed correctly. Dead Greeks rule! :)
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RE:"Balance"​? 04 Jan 2010 17:32 #4

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
it's always hazardous to compare quadrupeds to bipeds

Why? I compare human beings with burrows on a regular basis.


Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:

Dead Greeks rule! :)

Mechanics are still very much alive and always will be. :D


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RE:"Balance"​? 04 Jan 2010 22:12 #5

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Although certain mechanics apply to any biological creature for movement(like ground reaction force direction) , We need to consider that if humans were horses we would be walking on the tips of our toenails and our heels would be up in the air. If horses were human, they would be walking with their hocks on the ground and the sole of their hind feet up in the air. So it is very hard to see how we can compare much when it comes to propulsion of the two.
That said , I like this line from the linked article:
Coming up with ways to help people run one-tenth of a second faster is not all that satisfying to me personally," Piazza said. "When you lose the ability to walk normally, that has a huge effect on your quality of life."
Perhaps that is why it is best to assess the effect of a shoeing on a a horse's movement at a free walk rather than under saddle or running.....they may perform a tick better or be a second or so faster with certain kind of shoeing but what happens to them the other 23 or so hours of the day , with every step they take? :rolleyes:
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 00:22 #6

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calshoer.....
That said , I like this line from the linked article:
Perhaps that is why it is best to assess the effect of a shoeing on a a horse's movement at a free walk rather than under saddle or running.....they may perform a tick better or be a second or so faster with certain kind of shoeing but what happens to them the other 23 or so hours of the day , with every step they take? :rolleyes:

Most of my customers pay for performance not what they can observe on the internet...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 00:42 #7

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Most of my customers pay for performance not what they can observe on the internet
My customers pay for performance and a sound horse. :D
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 01:07 #8

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calshoer in gray, stuff deleted

That said , I like this line from the linked article:

Perhaps that is why it is best to assess the effect of a shoeing on a a horse's movement at a free walk rather than under saddle or running...

Utter nonsense! In the real world, the procedure that offers the most biomechanically efficient use - whatever that use might be - is always the trimming/shoeing method of choice. In terms of biomechanical efficiency, one does not assess the effect of a trimming/shoeing at a walk while the horse is at liberty; rather, one assesses the effect of a shoeing/trimming while the horse is doing whatever it does to earn its oats. What a concept!

they may perform a tick better or be a second or so faster with certain kind of shoeing but what happens to them the other 23 or so hours of the day , with every step they take? :rolleyes:


Road apples posted by scientists are still nothing more than that. One can only wonder what gave the author the silly idea that biomechanical efficiency at speed somehow transmorgrifies to inefficiency at a walk?
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 03:51 #9

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calshoer wrote:
My customers pay for performance and a sound horse. :D

Patty,
Do you shoe horses performing at high levels within their discipline? Could you reference them for our consideration (since you brought it up)? Race horses, jumpers, dressage horses, reiners?
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 04:01 #10

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Again Baron,

You deleted 40 minutes of retort....

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 04:05 #11

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Jaye Perry wrote:
Again Baron,

You deleted 40 minutes of retort....

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Jaye, you said it perfectly: RETORT

These forums aren't for retorts, they're for discussion, which most everyone in this thread is successfully doing in an amiable manner. When your posts are part of the discussion, they're left alone. When they're not, they're removed. You don't want to waste time? Stop with the "retort" junk and join in the real discussion.

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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 04:17 #12

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Cyber Farrier wrote:
Yes, Jaye, you said it perfectly: RETORT

These forums aren't for retorts, they're for discussion, which most everyone in this thread is successfully doing in an amiable manner. When your posts are part of the discussion, they're left alone. When they're not, they're removed. You don't want to waste time? Stop with the "retort" junk and join in the real discussion.

Baron Tayler

I parlay, I discuss, I prove as do most here with vision. Some are stuck in "15 years ago"; I am not.....:rolleyes:
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 05:56 #13

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
calshoer in gray, stuff deleted

That said , I like this line from the linked article:

Perhaps that is why it is best to assess the effect of a shoeing on a a horse's movement at a free walk rather than under saddle or running...

Utter nonsense! In the real world, the procedure that offers the most biomechanically efficient use - whatever that use might be - is always the trimming/shoeing method of choice. In terms of biomechanical efficiency, one does not assess the effect of a trimming/shoeing at a walk while the horse is at liberty; rather, one assesses the effect of a shoeing/trimming while the horse is doing whatever it does to earn its oats. What a concept!

they may perform a tick better or be a second or so faster with certain kind of shoeing but what happens to them the other 23 or so hours of the day , with every step they take? :rolleyes:


Road apples posted by scientists are still nothing more than that. One can only wonder what gave the author the silly idea that biomechanical efficiency at speed somehow transmorgrifies to inefficiency at a walk?
I take my hat off to you MR.Stovall, Great post!!
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 13:47 #14

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none of clients horses can perform unless they are sound
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RE:"Balance"​? 05 Jan 2010 14:02 #15

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Chris,
Not everyone uses the same definition for "soundness". For instance, there is an AAEP scale and an Obel scale for assessing lameness. Patty uses her own scale for determining soundness that is different from the AAEP or the Obel scale, involving such considerations as foot shape and hoof impact. I am sure she can elaborate on this in another thread if you ask her, as I do not want to hijack this conversation.
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