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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 26 Oct 2009 04:01 #31

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We kind of sound like 3rd graders sometimes.....

Keep us posted on Savoldi, please.
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 26 Oct 2009 12:12 #32

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Jack Evers wrote:
Here’s an extreme deviation and a trim to sole plane with added lateral support. Three year old QH. I didn’t see this horse until a week ago. The owner’s been bugging me since shortly after I broke my collarbone (Sept 1) and I’ve been trying to tell him a) I’m really not interested in new customers and b) I’m broke down and can’t shoe one for a while anyway. He’s a persistent cuss, wouldn’t take no for an answer and I finally agreed to come out with a friend and former apprentice and see what we could do with Alan handling the actual work. Hopefully the orthopod will give me an OK to do my own work next week. A week ago we went to trim his three with it being left to us if this one needed shoes. We said lateral support was necessary, but we’d like radiographs. Owner still wondered if the horse could be straightened although the vet had told him that he should have brought the horse in at two months rather than three years. I agreed and suggested the X-rays so he could really see the problem.

Alan trimmed to sole plane before the x-rays. Last picture is the A-P view showing the problem at the distal end of the third metacarpal. Distal surface of P-3 is pretty level, collateral grooves are close to the same depth. Sorry for the quality, weren’t great films anyhow and we could only hold them toward the light and snap a picture.

Second pic is a shot down the cannon as we normally sight to show how far the T-square method would miss. Next is a solar shot of the shoe, the extra fullering on the lateral heel is just to spread it and get more support. That was my first hot work since the injury and it felt mighty good.

The last pic is the finished foot. It’s deceptive and doesn’t look like there’s as much lateral support as there really is. Should have taken it from the rear. At any rate he walked off better than he walked up. He’s no longer twisting at the fetlock on the sand surface where he lives. I’ll report more after he gets ridden some. Seems like I'm doing a bunch of QH and Paints lately with bad legs.

And David, I rarely build up the hoof wall even on medial support unless there’s an interference problem or a show horse where cosmetics are important.



Just wanted to say thanks for this post it was very educational for me.
As for building up the hoof wall, I do all my work on gaited horses (which are notoriously narrow chested and known for interfering) so maybe that's why I end up with more stepped on shoes if I don't fit tight medially.


BTW: I spoke to Jaye this weekend on the phone, he confirmed the horse I mentioned in the original post does paddle. He also invited me to come watch him reset that horse sunday so I could see how the hoof has regrown over the last 6 weeks. I would love to say photos follow, unfortunately I was unable to make it out due to a water leak and a tree that was about to fall on my roof. So I have one less water leak and some firewood seasoning but didn't get any hooves in hand this weekend.

Thanks again for all the info
David
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 15 Dec 2009 19:47 #33

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Mr. Evers,

Just wanted to say it's getting to be about time to reset the horse you posted pictures of in this thread so please don't forget the new photos. I'm looking forward to seeing them.

Thanks
David

Kim,

I know you were off the forum for a while but you seem to be slowly coming back so...you never updated on what happened with Mr. Savoldi.

Thanks
David
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 20 Dec 2009 14:46 #34

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DeniseMc wrote:
David,
I think you're being ignored.

Good try :rolleyes:

I'm talking to David via PM and on another forum!
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 21 Dec 2009 19:24 #35

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DavidinGA wrote:
Mr. Evers,

Just wanted to say it's getting to be about time to reset the horse you posted pictures of in this thread so please don't forget the new photos. I'm looking forward to seeing them.

Thanks
David

Kim,

I know you were off the forum for a while but you seem to be slowly coming back so...you never updated on what happened with Mr. Savoldi.

Thanks
David

Hello David,

Jack Evers has been on the road and unable to respond to this thread. He should be back home sometime late tonight and will hopefully catch up on this thread shortly thereafter.

Cheers,
Mark
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 22 Dec 2009 06:27 #36

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DeniseMc wrote:
Riversideboy wrote:


Are you conversing with him privately too? Why not post here?

No I am not. I just was hoping that irishcas would keep us updated on her time spent with Savoldi. I haven't been on the forums in a while and haven't found her update yet....
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 22 Dec 2009 07:25 #37

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Mark_Gough wrote:
Hello David,

Jack Evers has been on the road and unable to respond to this thread. He should be back home sometime late tonight and will hopefully catch up on this thread shortly thereafter.

Cheers,
Mark

I am back as of 9:00 tonight, lots of catching up to do, probably New Years to do much posting. Thank you Mark and Katie for the overnight hospitality to a couple strangers and a couple horses. Sorry I couldn't hang around longer. It's a long way from Virginia to Wyoming with horses while dodging snowstorms. Iowa had been hammered. Va seems to have gotten hammered in our rear view mirror.
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The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 22 Dec 2009 18:44 #38

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Jack, it was our pleasure to have you and Lydia here over the weekend. It would only have been better had we been able to enjoy more time with you guys! Given the time of year and the ever present risk of snow and ice I'm glad you made it home safe and sound.

If you and Lydia find yourselves traveling east again, consider this a permanent invitation to drop by and stay as long as you'd like. We'll keep the wood stove burning for Lydia! ;)

Cheers,
Mark
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 22 Dec 2009 20:41 #39

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David this one is a 17 hand plus jumper I struggled with to keep sound over fences. M/L had to be spot on for this guy. With that being said looking with the eye was a impossible feat for me anyway. When we finally did get him dialed in I took measurements and copied them at each shoeing. Surly not the only way but was my way and worked for me. After we got him going in a decent manner joint injections where done. As of now he was sold the other day to someone in wellington Fl..I was told his days of jumping where over and he was heading for a life luxury..flat work and sunshine..one other issue I think caused most of the being a bit off is an infection got in the foot and cause 1/4 of the P3 to remodel or be lost...imho I was worried that due to bone lose that over fences could cause a fracture to the coffin bone. He is someone else problem now..
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 24 Dec 2009 12:48 #40

DeniseMc wrote:
Eli,
It appears she doesn't want to post anything further on this subject here.

That is too bad. I have been following this thread from the start and was hoping that she would share her conversation with Salvoldi.

I use the sole plain for medial/lateral balance and since reading this thread have compared the depth of the collateral grooves as I am trimming. So far it seems to be a good tool. Mike Salvoldi's Uniform Sole Thickness is also a good tool. His article and tutorial on his website is excellent. Mike Weldenstien uses the Uniform Sole Thickness principles in his lectures on trimming. He also talks about trimming to the sole plain and shoeing to provide support or reduce support based on acute lameness and chronic lameness. Really good stuff when it comes to figuring out what your going to do.
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 09 Jan 2010 21:37 #41

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irishcas wrote:
Say WHAT?



This is so good to know, although I'm not sure what "it" is. I will be working with Mike Savoldi in less than 18 days so I will make sure to bring up your ideas and see what he thinks of you and your theories.

So how did the meeting go, Kim?
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 10 Jan 2010 15:58 #42

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RiversideBoy wrote:
So how did the meeting go, Kim?

His presentation was very informative. I forgot to ask about Patty, I was too busy learning.

Mike is on this board, so I guess we should see if we can ask him and get him to comment. I doubt it though :)

I just don't care anymore. I'm learning what I need to and that is what I'm focused on.

Thanks
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 10 Jan 2010 16:29 #43

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Did you actually get a chance to work hands on with him or just attend a lecture?
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 10 Jan 2010 16:58 #44

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RiversideBoy wrote:
Did you actually get a chance to work hands on with him or just attend a lecture?

I was out for my second Epona Clinic, Mike and the Craig's are friends and neighbors. Monique arranged a 1/2 day with Mike, we saw a PPT and then Mike worked on a cadaver.
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RE:Measuring Collateral Grooves To Determine M/L Balance... 10 Jan 2010 17:00 #45

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DeniseMc wrote:
OK, don't share.........

Whatever Denise. I'm not arguing with you. I don't care what Patty has to say anymore, nor do I need to concern myself with her opinion. Therefore, I didn't need to question her dogma by discussing it with Mike.

That is what I don't care about anymore. If you want to talk to Mike, email or call him.
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