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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 12:10 #31

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Any problems with extruding under load?

Tom Stovalle, please check for grammar, give you something to do

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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 15:01 #32

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Tom,

Was the question about extruding under load to me or Smitty? or both?

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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 17:04 #33

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Any problems with extruding under load?

Was the question about extruding under load to me or Smitty? or both?

Yes. :)
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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 18:48 #34

I haven't had any problem with them extruding but my horse is only 900 pounds. Have had problems with a couple other synthetics extruding. These are a harder synthetic than any I've used previously.
Karen Standefer
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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 22:02 #35

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By extruding under the load, I'm guessing your meaning something like pushing out from directly under the heels, similar to a fe shoe wearing out at the toe or a to soft al plate, pushing out or spreading ? If not please explain.

The only time I have had such a problem is when I comprmised plastic shoes by cutting out the "bridge" or bar that holds the heels together, I tried it ,cutting the bridge maybe 50 times on a # of brands and I m guessing 75% of the time there was a screw up, caused by my experimenting.

Most of the plastic shoes I have used are the Flex Steps, Mary Janes,(now unlimited), and Coxtons .

When I use them as designed they vary in results on the horses but I would say not in "extruding" under the load. They do "shift on some horses when nailed ,i think because ,try as I may to draw a clip on them in the fire , I'm just not smith enough to pull it off in the forge,though I'm sure after Smitty88 reads this he will be able to show how it is done . I've tried 10 seconds, 2 seconds etc, they are a b i t c h to put out and drawing a clip bubble splatters like h e l l and sticks and burns like napalm.

Karenstadefer, looking at the picture in the website I'm guessing that there is two different durometers used , maybe two different families of plastic,but I would bet that the firmer plastic is in the area of what is called 55 d,and probably a urethane, same stuff they make some plastic car bumpers out of. The stuff does not extrude well below 300 f. .

I have been playing with a "ultra high molecular" material that is interesting, but pretty slippery in some situations.

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Ray Steele

ps Tom Stovlal, as usual please check for grammar and read for content, I think I've dealt with the double consonant iSSue but .....
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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 22:24 #36

ray steele wrote:
I have been playing with a "ultra high molecular" material that is interesting, but pretty slippery in some situations.
I have had really good luck with the traction of the Epona's. I rode 7 hours up in the high country (6000') in them 3 days ago. My riding partner's horse went down twice because it had just rained and the trails were hard packed clay and slicker than snot (we wouldn't have driven up there had we known that it wasn't 75 degrees and sunny like in the valley). The last time her horse went down, he went completely on his side and she came off. Horse and rider are both ok. But, I was certainly happy for having more surface on my shoes with which to pack in mud since dirt on dirt is the better traction.
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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 23:47 #37

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KarenStandefer wrote:
I have had really good luck with the traction of the Epona's. I rode 7 hours up in the high country (6000') in them 3 days ago. My riding partner's horse went down twice because it had just rained and the trails were hard packed clay and slicker than snot (we wouldn't have driven up there had we known that it wasn't 75 degrees and sunny like in the valley). The last time her horse went down, he went completely on his side and she came off. Horse and rider are both ok. But, I was certainly happy for having more surface on my shoes with which to pack in mud since dirt on dirt is the better traction.


KarenStandefer,

What did your friend have on her horses feet both times that they went down,

i 'm asking for informational perps only, Smitty88 and yourself have attested to some of the properties/results of the Epona shoe , I just need something to identify with the problem that you mentioned, ie your friend and her horse going down.

Thanks

Ray Steele
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 00:04 #38

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By extruding under the load, I'm guessing your meaning something like pushing out from directly under the heels, similar to a fe shoe wearing out at the toe or a to soft al plate, pushing out or spreading ? If not please explain.

Yessir, I've had some of the closed cell polymer pads just moosh (is that a word?) out at the heels, especially on big QH speed horses running on hard ground. Since my experience with polymeric shoes is extremely limited, I was wondering if plastic shoes sometimes acted similarly under load.

I have been playing with a "ultra high molecular" material that is interesting, but pretty slippery in some situations.

Is it as slippery as the old Thoro'bred Legsavers? I had a lot of trouble keeping them where I put them without going to 4 1/2s or even Mustad ASVC 5s.

ps Tom Stovlal, as usual please check for grammar and read for content, I think I've dealt with the double consonant iSSue but .....

You've got the right number of letters yRa, now if you can get capitalization and placement figured out, you'll be ready to get out amongst 'em. :)
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 00:17 #39

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KarenStandefer,

What did your friend have on her horses feet both times that they went down,

Thanks

Ray Steele
Well worn (scheduled to be reshod two days later) Eventers on front and hind. So, they probably weren't as good in the traction dept as they would have been if they hadn't been reset last time as opposed to applying new shoes.

Karen
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 02:05 #40

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KarenStandefer wrote:
Well worn (scheduled to be reshod two days later) Eventers on front and hind. So, they probably weren't as good in the traction dept as they would have been if they hadn't been reset last time as opposed to applying new shoes.

Karen
Karen,

Were your Eponas new or reset? again not trying to cause an argument just the ground rules. kinda an apples to apples thing as much as possible.

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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 02:41 #41

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ray steele in gray, deletia

By extruding under the load, I'm guessing your meaning something like pushing out from directly under the heels, similar to a fe shoe wearing out at the toe or a to soft al plate, pushing out or spreading ? If not please explain.

Yessir, I've had some of the closed cell polymer pads just moosh (is that a word?) out at the heels, especially on big QH speed horses running on hard ground. Since my experience with polymeric shoes is extremely limited, I was wondering if plastic shoes sometimes acted similarly under load.

***You should try them under your conditions ie apPles to aPples etc

I have been playing with a "ultra high molecular" material that is interesting, but pretty slippery in some situations.

Is it as slippery as the old Thoro'bred Legsavers? I had a lot of trouble keeping them where I put them without going to 4 1/2s or even Mustad ASVC 5s. **much more slippery** think sliding plate but lighter in weight

ps Tom Stovlal, as usual please check for grammar and read for content, I think I've dealt with the double consonant iSSue but .....

You've got the right number of letters yRa, now if you can get capitalization and placement figured out, you'll be ready to get out amongst 'em. :)

moT,

Thanks for your time,

Regards

yaR eleetS

sp: yna epoh
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 03:33 #42

ray steele wrote:
Karen,

Were your Eponas new or reset? again not trying to cause an argument just the ground rules. kinda an apples to apples thing as much as possible.

Regards

Ray Steele
No, they weren't reset. They weren't new either and they had one 50 mile competition on them plus about 200 conditioning miles (4 weeks since shoeing). They're not ready to throw away yet, but I won't reset them because I have another competition in 2 weeks (I'm reshoeing him tomorrow). And, I don't know anything about the terrain there, so I won't take any chances that they may wear out during the competition. I'll put them aside and maybe reset them for use when I'm not doing a competition.

The shoes do have a lot of tread to begin with. Not near as much smooth material to slip as steel shoes. That can play in the horse's favor as much as it can play against them, depending on terrain. I doubt they're good on ice at all. But, we don't have ice, typically. Certainly, they're not for every horse or every riding situation. I would imagine, actually, in the world of performance horses they're pretty limited in application to show horses or trail/endurance. But, for my horse and his job they seem to be working out pretty well. I'll have a better judgement of them after a full season............ask me again in November :-)

I think it would be pretty hard to compare them apples to apples to steel shoes. They have their positive points and their negatives. When it comes to wear, the steel will outwear the synthetics anyday. But, when it comes to traction, I do know that my horse is better on pavement and slick, wet, clay trails than in steel. Steel is also a much better value. But, my horse has some special issues and so far he's doing better in the Eponas.

Karen
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 06:25 #43

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Hi Karen,
maybe you could post when your shoeing him
next to show us the wear on the shoes
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 12:55 #44

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Karen how are they on grass (slick?) or do you only have hard surface to ride?
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RE:Espona shoe 11 Jun 2007 14:29 #45

Gary Hill wrote:
Karen how are they on grass (slick?) or do you only have hard surface to ride?
What little grass I've ridden on they've been fine. But, I don't typically ride on a lot of grass. My gut is that they'd be much better than a bare hoof (I've gone down on my horse before when he did a quick 180 on grass barefoot), but I don't have a feel for how they'd be compared to steel. The only grass I have here is in the pastures and it's pretty chopped up from the horses, so traction is fine.
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