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RE:Espona shoe 07 Jun 2007 11:03 #16

Karen, have you ever tried steel shoes along with pads? I have gotten good results when useing pads depending on what I needed. Rim pads, full leather pads, full plastic pads, Myron Mclain full support pads, equipak, Ray Steels plastic/leather pads (pleather :) )......

Also if the horse is difficult to nail up St. Criox lights or Kirkhart SX-7 useing mustad JC-0 nails works pretty good.
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RE:Espona shoe 08 Jun 2007 05:40 #17

Phil Armitage wrote:
Karen, have you ever tried steel shoes along with pads? I have gotten good results when useing pads depending on what I needed. Rim pads, full leather pads, full plastic pads, Myron Mclain full support pads, equipak, Ray Steels plastic/leather pads (pleather :) )......

Also if the horse is difficult to nail up St. Criox lights or Kirkhart SX-7 useing mustad JC-0 nails works pretty good.
Thanks, Phil. Horse isn't difficult to nail up at all. He has excellent hoof walls. Even with me resetting so often.

I've never had to pad this horse. He has VERY tough feet and doesn't need the pads.

I really want to keep him in these synthetic shoes if I can because I like the way he moves in them and I like the support in the rear of the hoof. And, it's easy because I don't have to purchase pads, equipak, etc. Just nail them on and go. But, I am going to try the glue this next shoeing because I really like what I'm hearing from Monique.

This horse was in a 115mph (combined speeds) head on trailering collission in 2002. He sustained injuries that we'll probably never understand completely in his pelvic area. He's made a really great comback, but he needs a really light weight shoe with good breakover (no square toes) to stay sound and working well. The Epona Shoes are fitting that bill nicely. They're half the weight of a steel shoe and provide great caudal support.

I'm curious what your protest is to these shoes. It's the second time you've tried to convince me that I should look at a different package.

Karen
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RE:Espona shoe 08 Jun 2007 18:53 #18

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Karen,
do you find you get many clinches up with these shoes
i wont know til my next visit to the pony?
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RE:Espona shoe 08 Jun 2007 19:20 #19

smitty88 wrote:
Karen,
do you find you get many clinches up with these shoes
i wont know til my next visit to the pony?
Riding on concrete or pavement they have come up. Since it was before an endurance ride, I actually removed the medial nails and renailed him. On the lateral ones, I just reclinched and rasped them down and we were fine.

Also, on the next reset, I set them deeper with this tool that I got from the people that sell Equiflex shoes. Also used their clincher attachment to make sure I got the tightest fit possible. Haven't had any more trouble with them working loose. And, on softer terrain, they don't come up at all.

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RE:Espona shoe 08 Jun 2007 20:08 #20

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i used the top of my buffer to nock them down
and then put the clinching block under the nail
and done the same with buffer to nock up

wasent taken any chances
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 01:53 #21

KarenStandefer wrote:
I'm curious what your protest is to these shoes. It's the second time you've tried to convince me that I should look at a different package.
Karen

Your right, I am not sold on synthetic shoes. I am a big fan of steel shoes.
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 03:11 #22

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I have not used the Epona shoes but have used a couple dozen pairs of Eqiuiflex shoes and a few Marathons (both similar) over the years.
I have not found the clinches coming up or the shoes loosening.
If nailing rather than glueing, I use E head nails, set the nail heads well into the shoe with a punch, then clinch as normal .
I have found the urathane shoes find the shoes very useful for some applications, especially when concussion is a factor in the level of lameness , such as in severe ringbone or old chronic but very stable founders. Just my 2cents.
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 11:56 #23

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smitty88 wrote:
This young lady dont want me putting nailas into her pony
so it looks like glue

but there is that word you know money
trying to to keep the exspences down for her

Thanks for the info

Smitty,

If as you mentioned the use of these shoes was to avoid nails, as per client concern, how is it that it was ok to use at least a # of nails with the glue but not a few more nails with a fe shoe? Since you mentioned money, was it less expensive for the synthetic pkg, vs fe.?


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PS Tom Stoval, please be sure to check all posts for grammatical etc errors .
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 12:14 #24

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If as you mentioned the use of these shoes was to avoid nails, as per client concern, how is it that it was ok to use at least a # of nails with the glue but not a few more nails with a fe shoe? Since you mentioned money, was it less expensive for the synthetic pkg, vs fe.?

PS Tom Stoval, please be sure to check all posts for grammatical etc errors

Mr Stele,

Since I consider the ability to spell to be a character fault (probably indicative of harsh toilet training leading to an overly anal outlook on life) I tend to concentrate more on content than on form. That said, I notice you seem to be having a bit of trouble with double consonants.

Like yourself, I kinda wondered why nails were used to attach a shoe chosen to avoid the use of nails, but they drive on the wrong side of the road over there, so I figured it was a cultural thing. :)
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 14:13 #25

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Ray,
she told me she would prefer to have no nails
but when she seen the dvd as mentioned

she wanted it done as in the dvd
dont know what the stuff cost her

but i went very light on her from my end

her eyes lit up as the pony walked out the stable
she emailed me yesterday and said the pony

trotted for the first time in a long time


have you used any of this type shoe what are your taughts
are they any good?
Smitty88
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 17:19 #26

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I've glued on the epona with good results. I've nailed on a pair and will not be doing that again. The shoe bent too much on the foot. One was off within a few days. The foot was a mess and I didn't even try to see if I could level it. It looked like a roller coaster. The shoe that was still on was bent on the foot. So that one needed to be removed as well. The shoe is to flexible, abrasive footing gets between the shoe and the foot and reaks havoc.
I haven't had this problem and I've ridden on just about every terrain imaginable since using these shoes (and at some good speeds..........25 miles in less than 3 hours which included rocks, gravel, a 2 mile shale bed, sand, mud, river crossing and just hard packed roads). I did worry about them before our ground dried out and decided I wanted to use the mesh to make sure mud didn't pack in the bottom and get between the sole and shoe under the coffin bone. The mesh completely alleviated that worry.

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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 17:44 #27

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Eric,
what glue did you use with this type of shoe?
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RE:Espona shoe 09 Jun 2007 20:10 #28

Eric Russell wrote:
I have noticed a lot of products get tested on endurance horses. Why is that? Not being an expert in endurance I am of the opinion that there is not a lot of sudden stopping, quick change of direction, jumping, etc.
I think lots of products get tested on endurance horses because the sport causes a lot of excessive, repetitive concussion for which we are forever trying to find a way to lessen so that our horses can last thousands of competitive miles and decades performing happily and soundly.

No, there is not a lot of stopping, quick changes of direction (except when the horse's spook<g>) or jumping (with the exception of some courses, but even then they're low and infrequent). But, the horses traverse a variety of terrain during one 50-100 mile ride. They also must correct quite a lot for uneven and rocky/muddy terrain and do so while fatigued and with a tired rider on board and travelling at speed. There may be other sports that require more coordination of the horse and torque to the joints, but probably none that comes close to pushing the athletic ability and stamina than endurance. Some of the rides I've done here in the PNW have more than 10,000 of elevation gain over 50 miles. And, the trails are not a walk in the park. They're concussive, rocky and tediously technical. In addtion, they cannot be walked because you'll be overtime and be disqualified. Not to say the horses can never walk. But, typically most riders trot/canter the majority of the ride (12 hours to finish a 50 miler, but that includes two vet checks which are typically 1.5 hours total......sometimes more if the vets feel the weather warrants).

Because it takes about 3-4 years to build an endurance horse, most people don't want to constantly be starting a new horse. They want the one they've invested time, money and emotions in to continue to participate, successfully, in the sport. That leads most of us to trying to find ways to lessen the wear and tear on their bodies. And, of course, the foundation of that is the hooves/legs.

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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 11:04 #29

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smitty88 wrote:
Ray,
she told me she would prefer to have no nails
but when she seen the dvd as mentioned

she wanted it done as in the dvd
dont know what the stuff cost her

but i went very light on her from my end

her eyes lit up as the pony walked out the stable
she emailed me yesterday and said the pony

trotted for the first time in a long time


have you used any of this type shoe what are your taughts
are they any good?

Hi Smitty,

I don't know the Epona pruduct, and from what you have written they seem to have worked out well. I have used a # of plastic "horseshoes" and devices with successes and failures. I still use some of them and I like a plastic shoe for horses that need protection but who I would prefer to be barefoot. , I also make my heart bars with a plastic shoe that I bolt onto a fe shoe. I have found the plastics and rubber shoes to be slippery when not modified in wet and or frosty conditions, metal also but plastic to a greater extent.

I commented about the nails in my 1st post because of your 1st statements, I would like to ask if you think that the same results could/would be accomplished with a metal shoe glued or nailed, with or without a pad and or with or without say urethane hoof packing.

I did go to the Epona site to get pricing, in this case because you indicated thar money may be an issue ,or at least I took it that way.

Without shipping in the usa, you can do the conversion to the euro.
1 pr #2w Epona Shoes $22.00
1 14 oz tube of glue $49.00
1 bag of 10pcs tips $15.00
If a gun was needed $75.00

Regards

Ray Steele


ps Tom Stovalle, please check for grammar, give you something to do, If ever we're in Ireland together, or any of the countries that drive on ,as you say the"wrong " side of the road, please don't take exception to me asking a native to captian the steering wheel, the roundabouts are brutal especially when a "yank" decides to go left when the rest of the vehicles are going "right", for my part It'll have nothing to do with politeness.
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RE:Espona shoe 10 Jun 2007 11:46 #30

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Ray,
the only thing i can say last time she got shod i put on
a deep seated wide web ali shoe

she was just about moving
she was trotting yesterday

never put rubber shoes on before
this is my first time for plastics

i dont use alot of pads
the pour in pads are good but nobody

wants to pay for it
from what i read on the forum pads

seem to be used alot over there

not so much over here

that might be hard to swallow
but its true

i think this is the best the pony
has moved for along time
Smitty88
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