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RE:St Croix X-tra 07 Apr 2007 19:18 #31

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Brian Purrington wrote:
Any input on this.....

I can't say I've ever had that problem with the St. Croix shoes. Usually as the nail holes and shoe wears I'll upsize or downsize the nail to fit the crease and nail hole properly.
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RE:St Croix X-tra 07 Apr 2007 19:50 #32

Andrew Grimm wrote:
I can't say I've ever had that problem with the St. Croix shoes. Usually as the nail holes and shoe wears I'll upsize or downsize the nail to fit the crease and nail hole properly.

Upsize to fit the hole, and you got too much nail head. Downsize to fit the depth of the crease and you got too small a shank for the hole, is what I've found.
I guess it doesn't matter, I'm not using them anymore. I was just wondering if anyone else found the holes to wear like I did. It is really the only reason I got away from them.
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 00:31 #33

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Smitty,
I also use Delta as their size is a bit inbetween. i dont think the brand is that important, I think it gets down to personal preference. The same reason there's chocolate and vannilla.
Brian what nails were you using?
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 02:32 #34

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Brian Purrington wrote:
Upsize to fit the hole, and you got too much nail head. Downsize to fit the depth of the crease and you got too small a shank for the hole, is what I've found.

For most shoes I start with a Capewell SB5. If the shoe wears enough than I'll step up to a Delta 5 Slim Combo. If the toe is very worn than I may use a SB5 or maybe even a 5RN in the toe nails only. If the nail holes get worn past a combo than I might use a RH5 or even a SB6. After that the shoes pretty much worn out.

I don't use St. Croix very much but have a lot in stock that were given to me so I use them from time to time. On some feet I like the penciled heel on the xtra and xtra ez's.
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 10:12 #35

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Bill Adams wrote:
Smitty,
I also use Delta as their size is a bit inbetween. i dont think the brand is that important, I think it gets down to personal preference. The same reason there's chocolate and vannilla.
Brian what nails were you using?
Bill

Bill,
brands never won me over
never seen a Delta shoe as i mention now and again

we dont get a great selection of anything over here
im very fussy with nail-holes and clips

i very seldom reset shoes
i think i have put on 10 sets of St Croix ever
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 11:16 #36

Andrew Grimm wrote:
For most shoes I start with a Capewell SB5. If the shoe wears enough than I'll step up to a Delta 5 Slim Combo. If the toe is very worn than I may use a SB5 or maybe even a 5RN in the toe nails only. If the nail holes get worn past a combo than I might use a RH5 or even a SB6. After that the shoes pretty much worn out.

I don't use St. Croix very much but have a lot in stock that were given to me so I use them from time to time. On some feet I like the penciled heel on the xtra and xtra ez's.

You dont think there was too much nail head hangin out......? After one or two resets the toes wear thinner and just about any "5" nail is too much head. The crease was always too shallow for my taste anyway. I was using capewells also.... and tried the same as you,to fit the situation. Got tired of having to mix nails.

On a side note, I went to eventers and found the hole to not wear as much, and when the toe got thin you could use a sb 4.5 and the shank was still fitting within reason.

I'm currently switching to Kerchaert shoes, 'cus I've found the st croix's to be softer steel. (real "gummy" when drill and tapped, "twisty" when shaping hot and wearing out too fast) I really like the kerchaert pattern. The classsic roller is a really stout shoe, Sx 8's for the hinds and mustad mx50's to drive. Seems to be working out well for me.

When you gonna have time to get away? Maybe we'll ride out together a day or two.....
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 12:10 #37

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Interesting. I've used Eventers ever since they came available and don't seem to have near the problems you guys have had. When I have a horse that is really wearing the shoe hard, I just quench it when I'm shaping it and it hardens the shoe up enough to extend the wear life suitably. I usually start with Australian 5 Slims in the smaller shoes and a Capewell 6 Slim in the larger sizes. I've got a lot of the old Anvil Brand 5 City nails and they really work well at reset. Most of the time I use a 'lighter ' nail in the toe anyway, and I'm finding the 5 Slim from Vector or a Delta nail to really work well. Since I re-work the heels on about every shoe, I really like the heels on the Eventers/EZ's, etc and with the new "V" fullering that is coming available, the shoe has done nothing but get better. YMMV.

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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 12:21 #38

Rick Burten wrote:
Interesting. I've used Eventers ever since they came available and don't seem to have near the problems you guys have had. When I have a horse that is really wearing the shoe hard, I just quench it when I'm shaping it and it hardens the shoe up enough to extend the wear life suitably. I usually start with Australian 5 Slims in the smaller shoes and a Capewell 6 Slim in the larger sizes. I've got a lot of the old Anvil Brand 5 City nails and they really work well at reset. Most of the time I use a 'lighter ' nail in the toe anyway, and I'm finding the 5 Slim from Vector or a Delta nail to really work well. Since I re-work the heels on about every shoe, I really like the heels on the Eventers/EZ's, etc and with the new "V" fullering that is coming available, the shoe has done nothing but get better. YMMV.

Rick

Oh.... New "V" fullering? When is that going to be available. I hadn't heard of that yet. I'd be interested to see it. As to hardness, I quench all my shoes... I hot fit everything. I know it hardens the shoe, but nevertheless they still seem to be wearing faster than normal. (what I was used to in 2005) I like the design of the eventer....

PS, I like the vector nails as well, but they seem to be in limited supply at the moment. (unless you mail order and ground ship.)
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 12:45 #39

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I'd be interested in hearing what some of you like so much about the eventers. I haven't used many and haven't really "developed a tast" for them but maybe I'm missing something.
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 12:53 #40

I do alot of H/J's and the shoe is versitile. The sort of "half round shape" is very easy to conform/forge into many different situations. The heels have a heel "block" for drilling, tapping, drilltex, driveins etc... Also you can go to a size larger and do an extended heel for a hind foot very easily. The crease/fuller is deep and well proportioned to the shoe.

Just my observations....
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 13:39 #41

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Brian Purrington wrote:
On a side note, I went to eventers and found the hole to not wear as much, and when the toe got thin you could use a sb 4.5 and the shank was still fitting within reason.
I bet it's 'cause your breakover is back and you've lessened the strain on the shoe.
I noticed that when I got better at balancing the foot I lost fewer shoes and that they wear evenly, not the thin toe.
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 17:46 #42

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Brian Purrington]You dont think there was too much nail head hangin out......?

No, if I drove a nail and found the head is to large than I'll redrive a smaller nail.
After one or two resets the toes wear thinner and just about any "5" nail is too much head.

If the shoe is so worn that I can't fit a SB 4.5, CH 4.5, or a RN5 than it's probably time to shape a new shoe.
The crease was always too shallow for my taste anyway. I was using capewells also.... and tried the same as you,to fit the situation. Got tired of having to mix nails.

I agree,Mix matching nails is a pain. I have 3 nail tins in my box at all times and about 4 more empty ones in my truck. For the most part I only use 2 types of nails wrote:
When you gonna have time to get away? Maybe we'll ride out together a day or two.....

With the way my schedule is now; it might be awhile. I will however be at the MFA clinic at Tater's on April 14th. Maybe I'll see you there.

I'd enjoy the company.
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RE:St Croix X-tra 08 Apr 2007 17:49 #43

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Brian Purrington wrote:
The classsic roller is a really stout shoe,........


Brian, I love this shoe. Do you get these locally?
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RE:St Croix X-tra 09 Apr 2007 00:47 #44

Bill Adams wrote:
I bet it's 'cause your breakover is back and you've lessened the strain on the shoe.
I noticed that when I got better at balancing the foot I lost fewer shoes and that they wear evenly, not the thin toe.
Bill

Probably true.... I did start "getting it" around the same time....
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RE:St Croix X-tra 09 Apr 2007 00:53 #45

Andrew Grimm wrote:
Brian, I love this shoe. Do you get these locally?

No The supplier is in New Jersy I talked to Amsterdam up in PA and they have them on order. I'll be going up to get some more soon... Wanna tag along or have me get you some?

Here's some links....

http://www.montagueblacksmith.com/

http://www.kerckhaert.com/php/horseshoe.php?id=63&group=110
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