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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 26 Feb 2007 19:14 #31

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danverschild wrote:
I do want the candidate to go over the horse and point things out, telling me what he perceives as problems and potential problems in meeting the objective.
'nuther words, don't be shy, speak up, and make sure your score accounts for stuff that you can't control.

I've often wondered how many folks would score better if they had the self confidence to point out foot problems and insist that the tester made a note of it on the score sheet BEFORE the clock starts.

Speaking of the clock, when you've got a lot of flares to dress down, that can really eat up a lot of your time. Sometimes the best thing a test candidate can do is say, "I want a different horse for the test." There can be a huge time advantage if you get lucky and draw a horse what has been well shod and well maintained.
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 26 Feb 2007 20:54 #32

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Smitty,

Beautiful job!!! I've not worked with concave alot but it looks like it would be efficient stock to keep in the truck. Very nice....

Tbloomer,

I would like to add a huge "AMEN" to your post. I spend the beginning of each certification telling the candidates the exact same thing. The Examiners and testers are there to help them succeed and not fail so they need to speak up and not be shy. The candidates deserve every opportunity to put forth their best work.


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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 26 Feb 2007 21:08 #33

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Danvers, thanks for the answer. I only mentioned Dusty because it was his post that said what I was asking about. It was really a question for all that could answer.

So what your telling me is that during the trim section a testee can dress the hoof wall as long as they make the wall even in thickness all the way around, even if that leaves some flare? Now, if I accept a horse with a bad flare, proceed with the shoeing because I feel I can work around it and make things work, and in the process find I have made an error in judgment, can I confer with the tester, explain the problem with the flare, and then proceed with the perimiter fit as long as I figure this out soon enough to leave uniform wall thickness? If I don't stop soon enough and thin the wall a little to much, will I be stopped?

Ok, enough questions for now, I think I will just pray for a good foted well shod horse and go from there.
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 27 Feb 2007 00:04 #34

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BS--

Don't make the test harder than it really is. Just do a good basic trim and make sure to fit the foot that you trim and you will do fine... Don't try to do too much....

The big picture is to communicate with your tester or Examiner with what you see and what you intend to accomplish.

Good luck and let us know your progress...

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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 27 Feb 2007 01:12 #35

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one point that I think is often overlooked (or under-stated) in discussing the trim for the certification, is to leave enough foot, especially if you plan to hot fit the shoes....

you may lose a point on the trim if the tester feels you could have taken more, but they will damn sure stop you if you trim them too short

error on the side of leaving a tad too much

just my $.02

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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 27 Feb 2007 01:42 #36

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Dusty, I'm not trying to make it to hard, just asking for the sake of clarification. I can and will ask for a different horse if the one given isn't conducive to the work required for the test. From what I hear, that would have to be a pretty poor footed horse, so no worries. I plan on attending a pre cert clinic in Phoenix on March 17 and then go to a certification up there in April. I will let ya'll know how things turn out.
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 27 Feb 2007 04:45 #37

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I feel the worst footed horse would be the better test of skills? As the AFA claims that the test is only to see if you can shoe to a standard basic foot, why not up the anty and go for what you will deal with on a daily basis? JMO, Gary
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 27 Feb 2007 05:08 #38

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Ben,

I'm glad to hear that you are going to a pre-cert clinic before a certification. I wish more candidates would take your approach and spend the time to educate themselves on the process before they attend a certification. It will save you a lot of time and money in the long run. If I can help you in any way, please feel free to ask...

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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 27 Feb 2007 06:10 #39

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Thanks Dusty, you could come to Arizona and give me a personal forging session for a couple of days. Just kidding. I have a couple of guys here that are helping me, I just need to find more time to get with them. I may have some more pertinant questions later after the pre cert. I have been studying everything I can from the books everyone here has mentioned over the last couple of years and have some guys emailing me questions on a regular basis for me to look up and answer back. It's been very helpful. I really just need to practice in the forge cause that is my weak point right now. I am trying to practice 3 to 4 nights per week, but some times it doesn't go as planned. Thanks for the help.
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 28 Feb 2007 04:54 #40

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Ben,
The best way I have found to get in the shop is to do it. Things come up and it gets put on the back burner.

Heres what i did to remedy this problem for myself.

I have my shop set up in the back part of my garage. Yes I park my shoeing rig in a garage :rolleyes:. SO after I back my rig into the gargae I fire up my forge and make my phone calls and forge my little tail off until my wife yells at me :D . SOmedays I get carried away and it's past midnight until I get into the house.

It seems to work great for me.

Another reason for me to get in the shop is to be able to work on my new shop anvil. I love it!!! Just got it yesterday.

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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 28 Feb 2007 05:22 #41

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Thanks Don. That's just the set up I have. Back in to the garage, open the truck and ... Then my wife leaves for work and my second job as the evening Mr. Mom begins. If I can get homework, chores, feeding and cleaning up after horses, and dinner for tree kids done, then I can go back to the garage and practice. If it's not to late so the kids next door are not in bed for school the next day I will fire up and go.

The other problem I have is that practice doesn't help if your not doing it right, and with the very little teaching I have had in this area, it is very frustrating how much time and steel a person can run through before they figure things out. I have some people that are helping and teaching me some things now and some that have offered to help more in the near future. So, I will trudge on and do everything I can to get better and see where I get by the time the test comes up.
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 28 Feb 2007 05:32 #42

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Ben, do you work your shoes in the fire during your work day? I have a local guy that rides with me one or two days aweek and the main reason is he wants to learn how to shape hot. He will not heat shoes during the day when he is alone because he wants to get the horses done? He pulls and cleans up shoes for me and clinches so we work well together and gives me time to show him. Doing it over and over is the way I learned after school because all the old F A R T shoers back then were afraid to show you anything? Like you'd steal their business or something I guess?
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 28 Feb 2007 06:35 #43

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Kids and horses to take care of. :eek: I have no kids. However we have plenty of horses and chores to do. My wife is a trainer and we have over 20 head here at the farm. I feel your pain. Not to mention the tack store we will be opening this Friday.

I will not tell you how much steel I have torutred and will continue to ******* on my way to get things figured out. Every now and then I have shoe that turns out well and it goes into the truck and I use it when I can.

There are 3 certs coming up this year within driving distance. I plan on going to one of them. Or all three if I have to. Then I'll look for more if I have to.

I am new to this trade as well. I like putting my work in front of others to comb over it. Be it trimming, forging or nailing and finishing. It is all useful.

Post some work Ben. There are allot of really good guys here on the forum that will help you out.

Don
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 28 Feb 2007 13:45 #44

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Dusty,
here is one i done today is this the type of hind fit
your talking about
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RE:Certification Shoe Fit 28 Feb 2007 13:51 #45

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same horse different view
used a kerkart 1 century
just shaped the toe to suit the foot the toes on the kerkart
can be a bit square
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