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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 19 Mar 2007 23:54 #166

Rick Burten wrote:
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Here is what I did for my buddy's Haflinger that he uses for logging. Ground is very muddy and needed traction. Welded the calks and toe grabs useing 3/4" barstock. Ground them down to 1/2".
Why didn't you forge the stock to the proper dimensions?
Why a sticker on one heel and a jar calk on the other? Will the jar calk give the traction a logger needs?

Do you feel you adequately addressed that clubby left front? Do you think your third nail on the right front lateral is a bit far back? Otherwise, looks pretty nice.

rick

Well this is all new to me, so we copied what an ole veteran logger does with his draft horses. The idea behind the posistion of the medial calks is to safe that calk so hopefully he won't step on himself.

Not sure what you mean by forgeing stock to proper demension? If you mean why didnt I handmake the shoes, the answer is because I can't yet. So I used SX-8 and welded the pieces on. We could have purchased pre-made shoes at Meaders, I didnt like the options available and he needed to get to work with this horse by the beggening of this week. Definately open to any suggestions. Another buddy of mine is going to help me handmake the next set.

His feet were a mess when he first got this horse, flat soles and stretched white line in the toe big time. They are getting into better shape than what the were last summer. Concavity to the soles now, better frogs and the dishing in the toe is an improvement, side clips allows me to set the shoes back a little. I had winter shoes with ice studs on him, but not enough traction when pulling now that it is muddy in the woods, falling to his knees when he pulls a load.

I think the nail your talking about is on the RH. I have 4 nails on the lateral side because the third nail back went into a crack.
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 20 Mar 2007 02:58 #167

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Horses working in mud realy like their shoes , especialy with clips, burned on. It realy keeps them on.
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 20 Mar 2007 13:17 #168

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Not sure what you mean by forgeing stock to proper demension?
You said: "Welded the calks and toe grabs useing 3/4" barstock. Ground them down to 1/2"."

I just wondered why you didn't work the barstock down to the 1/2 inch dimension rather than grinding it down.

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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 20 Mar 2007 16:42 #169

Rick Burten wrote:
You said: "Welded the calks and toe grabs useing 3/4" barstock. Ground them down to 1/2"."

I just wondered why you didn't work the barstock down to the 1/2 inch dimension rather than grinding it down.

Rick

Oh, got it now!!

We were thinking of giveing him 3/4" calks and grabs, this is what a lot of guys do. I got chicken, because it looked like too much for him. So I ended up grinding them down to 1/2". My buddy should be out pulling today, so I will hear by the end of the day if it worked.
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 21 Mar 2007 05:21 #170

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OK, see any improvements?

Front Rolled Toe, hard to see roll but trying to compare to front with toe clip to follow.





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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 21 Mar 2007 05:23 #171

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Square toes, hind shape, one with trailer, one with extensions. Any better than last time?





Thanks for your time and input. :)
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 21 Mar 2007 12:22 #172

Hi Ben,
The trailer does look better. You could try this trick, it may help define your corners. Heat the toe region to a nice forging temp, then quench both branches up to the point you are going to start your square toe. Grasping the toe of the shoein the center , push your shoe at at the place your corner is going to start against the tip of your horn keeping your branch parralel to the line of the horn: strike a blow just beyond the horn straight down to set a corner. You will not need to hit it hard. Flip the shoe and do the same on the other side. Creating a straight leading edge is simple. Hold the shoe just below the start of your corner with your togs at a ninetey degree angle, then hook the corner ****hest from you right into the tip of the anvil and pull towards you. When you feel it lock and making sure the leadibng edge of the shoe is parralel to the horn, strike down between the tip of your horn and your tongs. Reverse the shoe and repeat...instant square toe.
Also, I would use different keg shoes for your "turn in" display.... An SSP is a decent keg shoe, offset a bit lateraly and it would be very easy to square toe. In fact, it will be more difficult to make a radius toe for your non square toe hind. Another choice might be the Delta WS (sometimes called a Werkman SPecial) they are also unclipped, offset in left and rights. They do not have any markings on the ground side, so will look more pleasing. Putting a little better fade into the fullering also gives both these shoes a ***ier look. Another nice keg shoe is the Crothers concave. Any of these shoes will give your display more of a proffesional feel and appearence.
Remember, the foot side of all your extensions should be faded from the bearing point to the ground to limit the possibility of them being pulled.
When I made mine (has it been eight years since I took the CF test already!? :o ) I made the bar shoe first, seated it out heel to heel and put a pad on it. I then fit all my front shoes to the foot side of the pad shoe. This is a simple cheat to keep your sizings correct.
Jeff Holder showed me a neet trick last fall for quick bar shoes; use long heels. Then you can just match your shoe size to the long heel size and you should have an easy time matching up your shoes.
Hope some of that helps,
Jason Maki CJF
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 21 Mar 2007 12:59 #173

Ben,

You Rock!! Leaps and bounds above your previously posted mods.... Jason's given you good advice on all, especially on shoe selection. I just did a pre-cert clinic in TN last week and had all of the guys use Kerk. Standards for their mods--non-patterned shoes so they worked on their patterns as well as on their mods and a decent heel so the extensions don't fade out.

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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 21 Mar 2007 18:19 #174

Ben,
Here is a square toe with trailer from an SSP size 1. Make sure you blow out the toe, or it will look really flimsy. Hope this helps.When my propane thaws I'll make an extended heel shoe from a werkman (Delta ws)
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 22 Mar 2007 00:08 #175

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This is an xtra-ez I fit to a broken off foot today.
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 22 Mar 2007 00:28 #176

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Jason Maki wrote:
Ben,
Here is a square toe with trailer from an SSP size 1.
Jason,

Here is the problem I have with this shoe. The guidelines call for the leading edge to be straight and yours is not. Then, the guidelines state that "the lateral edges(or corners) are not excessively rounded. Question is, what does that mean and where does your shoe example fit under those parameters(such s they are).

The trailer is, IMO just fine.

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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 22 Mar 2007 00:33 #177

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Jason you extend the heels and you can put that on alot of rope horses I know! :D
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 22 Mar 2007 00:45 #178

Hey Ben, Do not make it look like that! :D It is kinda round in the corners! In my defense it is exactly the first square toe I have made since I made a shoe board eight years ago, and it does not meet the criterion...do I lose my credentials now? :) I'll make one tomorrow you'll cut you finger on. Failure sucks, and its now a point honor.
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 22 Mar 2007 01:03 #179

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This is the foot that shoe went on.
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RE:Modifying Machine Shoes 22 Mar 2007 01:08 #180

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..do I lose my credentials now? :)
Jason Maki CJF(?)
May I be so bold as to remind you that the shoe display is part of the CF certification, so your CJF is safe and beyond reproach. The CF on the other hand......... :rolleyes: :eek: :D

However, since that seems to be your weak modification, once you make a correct square toed shoe as your on site modification, all will be well in Mudville, for unlike the Mighty Casey, you will get safely on base.

Rick
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