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First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 09:40 #1

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I am in Asia, and my client recently ordered aluminium shoes (Kerckhaert Unclipped Triumph). Never worked on aluminium before, so I thought it would need to be heated and then hammered to shap. But, after a few minutes in the forge, it came out like a piece of molasses......luckily, my client bought a second pair as backup, and I worked the second pair in cold. But I found it is hard to hammer when I tried to do a rocker...

Need to learn new things fast, any advise?
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 10:53 #2

Aluminum soaks up heat fast and is slow to loose it so it takes little time to heat up and stays workable for a long time.

Generally 25-30 seconds is all the time needed in a gas forge to get the shoe to working heat and you will have plenty of time to shape.
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 13:22 #3

Unless I am clipping them, I do Al shoes cold to retain the temper of the alloy. I rocker a lot of Al triumphs, but the trick is to use your tongs. Also, if a smaller hammer does not move it, be a real hammer mechanic and find a bigger one... :D
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 15:28 #4

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Don't heat the Triumph almuminium shoes.
If you want an aliminum shoe that you can modify cold, try the Thoro' Bred light champions.
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 16:13 #5

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I would agree with Tom. Don't be heating aluminum. You can do rocker toes cold. Their really not intended to be heated.

For hot fitting your rocker toe, use a steel shoe, then nail on the aluminum one after your hot fit. It will work fine.
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 16:28 #6

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Thanks!

There was a piece of steel(?) insert at the toe, if need to roll up with wedged aluminium, just to hammer it hard?
I was afraid to break it...
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 17:15 #7

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The piece of steel in the toe is to prevent the toe from wearing down quickly. I dont think you will break it, it is of mild steel so it will be a bit flexible. It may want to pop out, but just tap it back in. Best of luck!

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RE:First time aluminium shoes 05 Feb 2007 18:08 #8

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We work alum warm, 25 to 30 sec depending on your forge ? slide it on the edge of the anvil if it is sticky it is to hot . quench it in water to bring back the temper before you nail it on. if you are fitting alum without modifications I usualy shape them cold.
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 06 Feb 2007 02:44 #9

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In some forges 25 seconds can be too long. If Im not sure of the forge, I count to ten, take it out and rub it on my anvil. If it feels a little "sticky" its ready. If it feels slick (the same as when its cold) I put it back in, count to three and try again. Ill do that reopeatedly until it feels right. It usually only takes a pass or two back in the forge to get there. When it feels a bit sticky rubbed on the steel anvil, its ready.
Other farriers rub the shoe on their wood hammer handle and if it blackens the wood, its ready.
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RE:First time aluminium shoes 06 Feb 2007 07:07 #10

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Thanks everyone!
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