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three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 00:26 #1

Working on something and want some input. Please find the flaws and point them out. I am barn blind and ONLY see the flaws.
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Jason Maki CJF
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 00:27 #2

2nd heat heel turned punched, pritcheled, finished brushed
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 00:28 #3

3rd heat, same, with more penciled heel
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 00:29 #4

clipped, wacked with a file
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 00:31 #5

I think I am going to market these, I think the concaving might get me around the patent! :D ( kidding Patty!)
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 02:07 #6

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Heck Jason, what patent? Every shoe company is copying the toe as close as they can and get away with it anyway. Pretty neat idea , for a FAD.
BTW nice work, it woud have taken me six or seven heats at least. Moving concave is like shaping a live worm.
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 02:44 #7

Jason Maki wrote:
Working on something and want some input. Please find the flaws and point them out. I am barn blind and ONLY see the flaws.
Thanks
Jason Maki CJF

Hey Jason,

I normally refrain from public comment on the work that folks put here, but I know you well enough to bail in :)

First of all, this is some really fine work, and it's obvious that this ain't your first attempt at working with concave! It do take some time to get those heels to knit nicely!

The things that I see and would suggest you work on to take this from great work to superior work...

Toe bend: If you look at the outside web, you're toe bend looks fine. But if you look at the inside web, you see that it's off--a little pinched in the radius on the left side, and a little flat in the radius of the right side.

Quarter bends: Your "kicks" are high, which makes for a little more pleasant look if your gonna turn it in for a contest or hang it on the wall, but doesn't match up with most feet, where the quarter bends are actually a little further back to the heels.

Overall shape: Looks to me like your medial branch has too much turn from the quarter bend and your lateral branch doesn't have enough. If you were to drop a line from your toenails through the heels, your medial heel would be inside the line, and your lateral heel would be outside the line. Part of it may be that you never fully recovered from the toe bend being off.

Picky stuff... When you get right down to it, I'd claim 'em.
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 03:33 #8

Danvers,
thats what i saw too. And the toe was ( and still is )jabberwockied from the gitgo. I kink the first side whith the first toe bend crack and can not get rid of it. i think i am forgetting the first rule of concave... treat it like a really pretty girl... stroke it softly, talk sweet to it and only smack it on the back side! You might then get what you want out of it! ;)
I am getting excited and hitting it to hard with to much heat in it as i crack the toe.
Thanks,
I'll turn some less kinky ones tomorrow.( shoe, not girl... I am far to old and tired for a kinky girl)
Jason Maki CJF
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 03:40 #9

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Nice work jason I have not played with much concave but intend to.
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 04:56 #10

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Hi all,

Having made a decent concave shoe in one heat I realised one day why use the forge at all if you don't care about your tools, hee hee. Anyway good shoe can't critisize.

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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 06:21 #11

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Nice work Maki. What did you use to pull your clip source there? The shoe looks almost machine made, 'cept with some character.

Here's Jason cracking out a bar shoe.

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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 16:24 #12

Smitty,
That wad 11 1/2 inches of 3/8x3/4 which makes a 13 1/4 inch shoe ( a "00" in ametrican sizes or a "5" in whatever system the Crothers are sized in)

Josh,
I used a swoopy bobpunch. That punch is a copy of Shane Carters that my teacher had liberated from his bag and borrowed in order to, well, save some time in the creative process. Myself, taking his lead, saved even more time and liberated the thing from his bag to copy it, then simply forgot to return it! :o
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 16:25 #13

The head view
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RE:three heat concave fun! 07 Jan 2007 16:27 #14

this was 10 1/2 inches of 3/8X5/8 ( it has the same kink in the lateral toe 1/4)
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RE:three heat concave fun! 08 Jan 2007 17:27 #15

Jason, how do you knit those heels, can't get them that pretty.
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