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Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 06:18 #1

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With all this handmade happyness going on in the forum, I decided to give it a shot tonight. I've only every made one pair in a bind that came out well. Just arab show shoes, which I think were a heck of a lot easier to make than a nice creased shoe. The shoe I made tonight came out well except for the fact I turned my back on the coal to modify a tool and turned back around to fireworks and a melted branch. The toe bend and overall shape was nice, the heels were alright, I thought the crease came out well, though I think my creaser might be a bit long. All I have is this ****py forepunch I got somehow. I think its an oversized city head forepunch. Needless to say I enjoyed that the least.

Usually when I need to punch nail holes I use my pritchel. But it often distorts because well its not exactly meant for that.

Any suggestions on a good forepunch for e-head or that would work with city head nails? I would make my own or modify my current, but I would need something to compare it to.

I conveniently left the abomination of a shoe at the barn, sorry no pics. :)
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 06:47 #2

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Of course I am going to recomend Eagle Point Forge punches ;). But I think they are only availabe out here in the west. Nice punches durable affordable.

But of course there are several good lines of head stamps and punches.

Roy Bloom's are nice affordable and widely available

Flatland Forge makes nice accurate punches cost a little more

Then there are and forgive me I can't remember the name, but they are trademarked with a thissle. Nice Punches but I haven't personally seen a city head punch in this line.
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 07:51 #3

Tom T.,

Just bought some H 13 steel today to make some punches. Also loaded up w/ barstock- 1/2 x 1, 5/16 x 3/4, 3/8 x 3/4 aluminum.

BTW how was hawaiian gardens?

Mike
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 08:17 #4

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Whats the differance between a head stamp and a forepunch?
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 08:31 #5

Slowshoe in green.

Whats the differance between a head stamp and a forepunch?

They are the same. The end of the fore punch or stamp should be the same shape as the head of the nail. For example: city head punch, e head punch etc.

Mike
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 08:45 #6

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OK. I think Im driving the thing too deep. How deep should your crease be?
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 08:59 #7

Slowshoe in green

OK. I think Im driving the thing too deep. How deep should your crease be?

For fullered shoes, your creaser should go 3/4 - 7/8's the thickness of the stock. Then use your drift punch.

For plain stamped shoes your forepunch should go 7/8's the thickness of your stock, followed by your pritchel.

You can buy a keychain type deal to check all your punches.

Mike
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 13:22 #8

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T.N. Trosin wrote:
Of course I am going to recomend Eagle Point Forge punches ;). But I think they are only availabe out here in the west. Nice punches durable affordable.
Tell me/us more about Eagle Point Forge as that is a name I have not heard before.

Rick
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 14:05 #9

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Rick Burten wrote:
Tell me/us more about Eagle Point Forge as that is a name I have not heard before.

Rick
Yea TN, don't keep secrets. :) Where do ya get them Eagle Point Forge tools?
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 14:17 #10

Tell me/us more about Eagle Point Forge as that is a name I have not heard before.

I answer for Tom here. Eagle Point forge is owned by Gordon C. Haight of Eagle Point Oregon- hes one of the greatest.

Mike
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 15:00 #11

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I make most of my forepunches. Gone down to the local flea market, there is a tool guy there. Many times he has some good quality used punches and such. I buy them and make them. Also you can get some good tool grade steel - cost more, but hey works great. I have made many of my own punches out of coil springs. They work real well for this.

I have also made many of my creasers. The back shoe with the heals, the creaes in it were made with homemade tools.

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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 15:30 #12

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IMO, I wouldnt buy anything but flatland forge when it comes to punches and pritchels, especially if you are new to making shoes. Jims punches come ready to go on E3 or mx50 in 5/16 or 3/8 and if you dont abuse them you can punch thousands of nail holes with a little fine tuning. The main thing to keep in mind is punching at the correct heat and depth. Only punch at dark red to burgandy heat, never any hotter.Three swift hammer blows will do the trick shoot for 20 seconds for the three nail holes per branch. Cool your tool after every nail hole, quench untill the sizzle goes away and start again. Forge your frog eye back in and run your edges then go back one last time with your punch, not for depth but for shape, at black heat. I was taught this sequence many time but you really figure it out when you have wrecked $200 in tools.
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 16:36 #13

ranchoblanco wrote-
You can buy a keychain type deal to check all your punches.

What is this keychain thing and can I make one?
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 17:15 #14

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Mikel,
I'm with you on that. I think it very important to be able to make your tools. When I was in horseshoeing school we made them before we even made shoes since we couldn't make shoes without them.

Is another example of the stuff available today taking its toll on our overall skill level
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RE:Forepunch suggestion? 29 Dec 2006 23:06 #15

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George Geist wrote:
Mikel,
I'm with you on that. I think it very important to be able to make your tools. When I was in horseshoeing school we made them before we even made shoes since we couldn't make shoes without them.

Is another example of the stuff available today taking its toll on our overall skill level
George
Completely agree. Have made and will continue to make my own forging tools. The punches I forge out of 1" round H13 bar, and when finished, double air harden them. I tried spring steel, but just didnt have the guts for the job. Pritchels I make out of old coil springs, I have different diameters depending on what size nail holes I'm working on. Easier to grab one by feel if they are different sizes. Normally oil quench the pritchels.
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