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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 21:58 #46

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Phil,
Know one gets off arguing with you, and I belive this is my first go at it with you. You bring this on your self.
Why would anyone say that Jeremy should trim or shoe this pony on his own with phone or intrenet advice when he has an owner willing to take the pony to a Vet that Jeremy can work with?
Especialy when it is suposed to be "foundered" in the hinds only.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 22:59 #47

Bill Adams wrote:
Phil,
Why would anyone say that Jeremy should trim or shoe this pony on his own with phone or intrenet advice when he has an owner willing to take the pony to a Vet that Jeremy can work with?
Especialy when it is suposed to be "foundered" in the hinds only.
Bill

From what I understand Jeremy also has the help of another farrier and I do not recall if a Vet is involved in this or not. Jeremy if your reading this that would be a wise thing to do. We really do not have a lot of details. This started with looking for pony shoes with 4 clips, which a couple of us includeing a local farrier has offered to make for him. The more I think about it, that may be a pretty good idea. Lets say the pony is foundering. We all know the hoof capsule distortion adds to decent of P3 and increases the odd of damageing the cir***flex artery. A shoe with four clips that is epoxyed on can help stableise the hoof capsule and possibly aid in less decent to the ground. Also lets say the sorness in the one hind is not founder and just an abcess as you eluded to, we all know the opposite foot can founder. So getting the sore foot off the ground because it is sensitive at the apex of the frog for whatever reason is really not a bad idea.

I think Jeremy is takeing all things into consideration and wants to do the right thing. I am pretty sure he has read all the advice given here from everyone and appreciates it.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 23:11 #48

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Rick Burten wrote:
Jeremy,

Bill gave you great advise. It is so unusual, bordering on amazing, for a horse or pony to founder on its rear hooves and not on its fores. Before you do anything more, you should request radiographs of all 4 feet. At a minimum you need a lateral and and A/P view of each.

The pony needs to be standing on blocks of equal heights when the rads are taken and the machine needs to be in line and at the same height as the hoof so you get a 'flat beam'.

Shoeing this pony without current rads is going to put you squarely behind the 8 ball if things go south.

Rick
If you find that amazing Rick then you haven't seen or worked on to many founded horses.? hell theres plenty of them that just founder on one & i dont find that amazing :rolleyes:
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 18 Dec 2006 00:08 #49

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Phil im inclined to read threads Quick
i only got the part the lad needed a shoe with extra clips

never tuned into the foundered bit
in the new year i must focus on what exactly is in front of me

i look forward in the new year to learn somthing new
and if i can help some one that has to be good aswell

i dont think people want to have a go at you
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 18 Dec 2006 00:12 #50

smitty88 wrote:
Phil im inclined to read threads Quick
i only got the part the lad needed a shoe with extra clips

never tuned into the foundered bit
in the new year i must focus on what exactly is in front of me

i look forward in the new year to learn somthing new
and if i can help some one that has to be good aswell

i dont think people want to have a go at you

I took it as he only needed a shoe with extra clips also and offered to make them for him. The reason for the shoe got brought up later. Then basicly he was told he was over his head. What do you think about stableiseing the hoof capsule with clips and epoxy on foundered horses? I think it could be a good idea and should be easy to do. As far as trimming a foundered horse, I have found less is more. So erroring on the side of caution when it comes to trimming is not such a bad thing.

All and all he got great advice and Bills advice is very good.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 18 Dec 2006 00:35 #51

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Phil Armitage wrote:
I took it as he only needed a shoe with extra clips also and offered to make them for him. The reason for the shoe got brought up later. Then basicly he was told he was over his head. What do you think about stableiseing the hoof capsule with clips and epoxy on foundered horses? I think it could be a good idea and should be easy to do. As far as trimming a foundered horse, I have found less is more. So erroring on the side of caution when it comes to trimming is not such a bad thing.

All and all he got great advice and Bills advice is very good.

Regardless of anybodies feelings as to clips and epoxy. Jeremy doesn't have a forge, so its fairly safe to assume his forgeing skills aren't the best. And he mentioned useing a saw but didn't know how much foot to saw. I agree with everyone that said to go get help with another farrier/vet. Learn the basics on something other than a foundered horse.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 18 Dec 2006 01:43 #52

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Phil.
First, a shoe on the "unstable" foot will not address the main founder issue, that being the unsuported P3.
The blood and serium in a foundered foot, with clips (not to mention four clips), will put such additional presure as to have the pony in excrutating pain, much more than with out the clips.
As to the issue of this being our first fight, I am going back to Mother's but if you send flowers.........
Bill

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