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TOPIC: Need help finding a shoe!!!

RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 05:27 #16

The important thing about the Rad's are knowing the position of the coffin bone, and what you have to work with, and what depth your looking at. Being prepared to cauterize the foot if you run into any extended capillaries or pockets as well. If your clients are prepared to spend the money- use that to your advantage.

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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 06:09 #17

Rick Burten wrote:
Bill gave you great advise. It is so unusual, bordering on amazing, for a horse or pony to founder on its rear hooves and not on its fores. Before you do anything more, you should request radiographs of all 4 feet. At a minimum you need a lateral and and A/P view of each.

The pony needs to be standing on blocks of equal heights when the rads are taken and the machine needs to be in line and at the same height as the hoof so you get a 'flat beam'.

Shoeing this pony without current rads is going to put you squarely behind the 8 ball if things go south.

I, too, think Bill offered good advice. And I'm on board with Rick as well... pretty much the only time I've seen founder in the hind only is on mares that have retained a placenta.

One other thing, and I'm kinda gunshy about asking this, cause I damned sure don't want anyone to think I'm trying to start a squabble... But I'm curious as to why I keep seeing farriers giving directions/instructions on how radiographs should be taken. What's up with this?
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 08:08 #18

danverschild wrote:
But I'm curious as to why I keep seeing farriers giving directions/instructions on how radiographs should be taken. What's up with this?

Here in Europe you'll find yourself explaining vets to get both feet on blocks, that in laminitis cases joints spaces are not your first concern, so L-M shots loaded please, AND I found myself once explaining a vet on the relation between mAs and kV................


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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 13:22 #19

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Danvers,

Unfortunately I find many vets will put one foot up on the block and then shoot away. And somtimes the block is not even on flat level ground and the angle of the beam is canted. It makes it really difficult, at least for me, to get a 'true' picture in my mind, of what is going on in/with the foot/limb.

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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 17:32 #20

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Esco Buff's book and charts make takeing founder rads uniform and understandable.
It's sad to work with a real sharp vet, then go to some yahoo who hwo coulden't find their rear end with, well with an x-ray machine.
Mike Delenardo solved the problem and bought his own didgital rad set up.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 20:21 #21

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I have heard of people actually taking a saw to the foot of a foundered pony to remove the excess hoof. Has anybody else ever done this? I just got home from working on this pony today and realized just how long he really is. I want to take more foot off but don't know how far to go. The owners are going to take pictures and send them to me so I can post them. They are willing to have x-rays done as well.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 20:35 #22

Jeremy, we all admire your eagerness here, but you may want to stop and think this over. Chances are both you and the horse are better of when you and the owner decide to get in a more experienced shoer. One that can help you understand a bit more of what exactly is going on with foundered horses.

A really good opportunity to learn!


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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 16 Dec 2006 21:59 #23

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cowboyjl wrote:
I have heard of people actually taking a saw to the foot of a foundered pony to remove the excess hoof. Has anybody else ever done this? I just got home from working on this pony today and realized just how long he really is. I want to take more foot off but don't know how far to go. The owners are going to take pictures and send them to me so I can post them. They are willing to have x-rays done as well.

I've had to work on quit a foundered ponies and donkeys that had feet inexcess of 8 inches in length (some closer to 12 inches) and curled up like rocking chair rockers. I never used a saw but you certainly could.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 04:28 #24

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cowboyjl wrote:
I have heard of people actually taking a saw to the foot of a foundered pony to remove the excess hoof. Has anybody else ever done this? I just got home from working on this pony today and realized just how long he really is. I want to take more foot off but don't know how far to go. The owners are going to take pictures and send them to me so I can post them. They are willing to have x-rays done as well.
Saw them off all the time if there too long & hard for the cutters or to sore for the jarring of a toe knife, All farriers should carry a hack saw or boning saw with spare blades in there kit it comes in handy when you in counter a horse or donkey that has founded or has cushing's & there feet are excessively long & hard i must say the look on the owners face is one of shock horror if they haven't seen one used before, but then again it might just be the nasty glare there getting from me
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 06:05 #25

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jack-mac wrote:
founded or has cushions


Dr. Jack,
Wouldn't the cushions make the feet more confortable?
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 09:13 #26

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jack-mac wrote:
Saw them off all the time if there too long & hard for the cutters or to sore for the jarring of a toe knife, All farriers should carry a hack saw or boning saw with spare blades in there kit it comes in handy when you in counter a horse or donkey that has founded or has cushions & there feet are excessively long & hard i must say the look on the owners face is one of shock horror if they haven't seen one used before, but then again it might just be the nasty glare there getting from me


we tend to leave the sawing to the carpenters over here
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 09:34 #27

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jack-mac wrote:
Saw them off all the time if there too long & hard for the cutters or to sore for the jarring of a toe knife, All farriers should carry a hack saw or boning saw with spare blades in there kit it comes in handy when you in counter a horse or donkey that has founded or has cushions & there feet are excessively long & hard i must say the look on the owners face is one of shock horror if they haven't seen one used before, but then again it might just be the nasty glare there getting from me
I would think the owner's look of shock and horror will be because they've never seen or heard of a farrier before if they've got equines with feet so long they need saws on them.

I've a horse thrown a shoe today, think I might get one of those cushions for him?? :rolleyes:
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 09:42 #28

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Bill Adams wrote:
Dr. Jack,
Wouldn't the cushions make the feet more confortable?
Bill
edit it just for you bill :) its good to see you have a three ring circus you & two other ass holes "comfortable"hows that glass house going?
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 11:02 #29

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Thomas_Ride&Drive wrote:
I would think the owner's look of shock and horror will be because they've never seen or heard of a farrier before if they've got equines with feet so long they need saws on them.

I've a horse thrown a shoe today, think I might get one of those cushions for him?? :rolleyes:

These are definately cases of severe neglect but unfortunately, at least around here, that sometimes about sums up life in the backyard for a donkey or pony.
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RE:Need help finding a shoe!!! 17 Dec 2006 14:05 #30

I have run into a lot of foundered ponys over the years, with very long feet. Some of the reasons I got from horse owners was how difficult it was to get a farrier to come out. A new farrier takeing this on is a win win situation. Pony gets trimmed and farrier learns. Refering a foundered pony to a lameness farrier or Vet clinic owned by people who don't have a pot to **** in makes about as much sense as F*a*r*ting in church.

Good for you Jeremey for going out and takeing care of that pony. Trust me two things are happening here. Your gaining more knowledge and experience and the pony is getting cared for. I see nothing wrong with this. All good.

Need any help just ask.

One thing you will learn is how well many of these ponys manage with no care. Never forget this, and when you see the so called expert out there makeing claims about how the feet should be trimmed and how special shoeing is needed along with hundreds of dollars in x-rays. Ask yourself how the hell did that little pony get so far without any care at all. Interesting isnt it????
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