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RE:Anvil size 20 Nov 2006 22:13 #76

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#5 shoe is nothing! Try a shoe with some meat in it and see if ya can flatten it cold! I'm talking about 1/2 " X 1", and larger.
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RE:Anvil size 20 Nov 2006 23:02 #77

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Since I like my tools and my elbows just the way they are. I think I will keep throwing them in the forge and work hot.

The looks of the shoe also comes out better and there is alot to be said about astetics.

The better the job looks the happer the customer.


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RE:Anvil size 20 Nov 2006 23:58 #78

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Mr Hill, you mean a 9# size 2? Yeah I know what a plantation shoe is, my family breeds walkers. I saw a guy reset a plantation horse at a show cold, not something I would even think about.

Between the fact that I have only hot set 6 horses and would like more experiance to do so on my own, and would only shape #4's and up hot. (which are terribly few and far between) I can't justify a forge at this time. My money only goes so far you know.
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RE:Anvil size 21 Nov 2006 02:47 #79

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Joey, how can you not justify buying a forge? Mine is over 25 yrs old and still gets plenty hot. Sure the liner is shot, but I have rigged it over the yrs with refactory clay from a foundery and do it over and over , very cheap repairs. Ain't pretty but don't need or want it to look new, kinda hard because it is used at every stop dang near. Good Luck and invest in one, it will make you a better Farrier. Gary
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RE:Anvil size 21 Nov 2006 06:44 #80

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Joey,
It is good that you come here to get info. It shows that you are willing to seek and learn and you have an incredible wealth of experence to draw from here.
With your stated experence please don't give instruction as to the proper prioritization of forge usage.
When you go out shoeing without a forge, it makes the trade look bad, not to mention a person dose not cut a suave picture beating on a cold number five on a seventy pound anvil. Do things properly and in order. Do what it takes to get the proper tools and equipment.
Practice dose not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. Start right and you won't have retrain.
You used the term "obssivie compulsive", use that trait to be the best in the fire, it will help make all the rest go easyer too.
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RE:Anvil size 21 Nov 2006 15:23 #81

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CordesShoeing wrote:
I heard some other farriers saying that the Future anvils didn't have much of a bounce to em cause of the aluminum, is this wrong?

I believe that the design of the Future anvil returns the energy into the steel and thus it feels like you get less hammer bounce. So yes it feels different. In my opinion it feels like working on a much heavier anvil because it seems to move more steel with each hammer blow.

My anvil stand is a modified NC Tool folding tubular steel stand. The NC stand has a really nice cranking lockdown mechanism. I modified the stand by permanently welding the legs on in a 3-leg configuration. The entire stand is filled with sand. The sand added about 20 lbs of weight to the stand and it completely absorbs the vibration. I drilled holes in each section and poured the sand in through a funnel, then welded the holes closed. Total weight of this stand is about 50 lbs.

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RE:Anvil size 21 Nov 2006 17:09 #82

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I would like to point out that the whole point of this thread is a guy, that only does cold fitting, looking for advice on an anvil. My statement was made to say that it is possible with what I have. I don't think it's fair to go after me for trying to give help to someone else in a situation similar to mine.

I am not saying I am against hot fitting or shaping, just saying that for the amount of work I do spending money on a forge is not in my budget. Even when I was working with the farrier that taught me only 5-10% of the horses we did were hot shod, and I had just started doing the fitting when I moved.

And perhaps I should rephrase myself. I don't do that large a shoe. In my own practice I have only gone above a size 3 four times in the last three years, and two of them were only resets. A size 4-5 is by no means in my regular practice.
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RE:Anvil size 21 Nov 2006 17:54 #83

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Joey you can alter a 5 cold and still do a nice job
it depends how talented you are

you can get lads that will mutilate the shoe cold or hot
knowing where to hit the iron is the secret

anvil size is not a problem
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RE:Anvil size 22 Nov 2006 03:06 #84

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smitty88 wrote:
Joey you can alter a 5 cold and still do a nice job
it depends how talented you are

you can get lads that will mutilate the shoe cold or hot
knowing where to hit the iron is the secret

anvil size is not a problem

I totally agree with you Smitty. I do carry a Forge with me but I do 90 to 95% of my work cold. I can level a shoe as good or better Cold as someone can do it hot. Around this part of the country nobody really cares if you hot fit or not. I don't do anything larger than a size three and that is rare for my client base. It's always easier for some of ya'll to say that someone is better then someone else but don't knock what we do cold until you have seen the final outcome. I have yet to lame a horse because I cold shod him. I guess in the last 15 years you would think if cold shoeing was bad it would of shown up by now. I guess I don't get how I am making the industry look bad because I cold shoe. 9 out of 10 shoers around here cold shoe only.
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RE:Anvil size 22 Nov 2006 03:40 #85

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Hey T.L. I just saw you live in Lubbock! My hometown-happiness was Lubbock Tx in my rearview mirror! Do you fit a heartbar cold ? Just wondering, bet ole Burney didn't? Best, Gary Monterey 71
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RE:Anvil size 22 Nov 2006 04:55 #86

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T.L. Buck wrote:
I can level a shoe as good or better Cold as someone can do it hot.
If all I did was level the shoe I'd do it cold also. :eek: :D


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RE:Anvil size 22 Nov 2006 08:04 #87

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I was just thinking that checking the heels, broadning the toe, rolling the toe, seating for the sole, searing the hoof as I do on every shoe, are made a bit easyer while in the 1500F and up range. I can do it better hot and have always watched the best Farriers work hot. I do have the abbility to shoe cold (although I am quite out of practice) There are just things I can't do cold.
It's not as though I'm perfect in every way, and cold can be done fine but hot is better, even if everybody dose it cold.
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RE:Anvil size 22 Nov 2006 12:02 #88

I was cold shoeing yesterday, the high was only 31 degrees. Man winter sucks, can't wait till I go to Fl.

I was really glad I had the forge to warm Me up. :D
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RE:Anvil size 23 Nov 2006 00:12 #89

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Gary_Miller wrote:
If all I did was level the shoe I'd do it cold also. :eek: :D


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If I only leveled the shoe I would be able to shoe a horse in 20 minutes.
No. I haven't had the pleasure of using heartbars. I leave that to the Chapman boys. Like I said I am not against Hot shoeing and I didn't say I don't hot shoe, I said I do 90-95 % cold. :D :eek:
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RE:Anvil size 23 Nov 2006 18:45 #90

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Gary Hill wrote:
Hey T.L. I just saw you live in Lubbock! My hometown-happiness was Lubbock Tx in my rearview mirror! Do you fit a heartbar cold ? Just wondering, bet ole Burney didn't? Best, Gary Monterey 71
You know you are probably right about the late Burney but I was at his Boys shop a week or so back and I watched him shoe one with a heartbar and hospital plates and guess what .... He never lit his forge. :rolleyes:
So maybe it skips every other generation...
Lubbock definately looks better in the rearview mirror, I don't live actually in Lubbock, I live in Wolfforth, Tx. I just have the luxury of being near this beau.. well.. place.
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