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foot jobs at compitition 15 Jul 2006 08:58 #1

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at a compitition the other here is some pics

this got a 1st

some rasp marks left in feet


this was a fun fair day in the north of Ireland
with a farrier compition trown in

a good 2 days crack
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RE:foot jobs at compitition 15 Jul 2006 13:07 #2

do you have any ground side pics?
Jason
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RE:foot jobs at compitition 15 Jul 2006 14:42 #3

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Smitty,

Do you think the third nails are a bit far bac?

Do you know why the shoeing job in the second photo didn't place?

What was the time limit for the class?

What was the judging criterion?
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RE:foot jobs at compitition 15 Jul 2006 16:03 #4

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Thanks Smitty.smitty88 wrote:
dont over dress
Would a thong and sandels be OK? :D
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RE:foot jobs at compitition 15 Jul 2006 17:49 #5

Smitty,
That foot *apears* to me, from the one angle and no bottom veiw to be a bit wry, or sheared. The medial side sheared and rolled and a large flare lateraly that could not all be removed without removing a vast amount of horn and leaving paper to nail into. These feet can be fairly easily managed in a real world practice, but under the guidelines of a contest, you are starting behind the eightball. the possibility of getting this foot anywhere near the ideal picture in one cycle is nil. Hazarding a guess I would say this is the reason the job was skunked... ironicly this contestant had the biggest bag of poop to deal with, and did what appears to be an a1 job of if not making a silk purse, atleast creating an attractive tote bag... from a bag of toot! :D
Jason
also the bull nosing does not appear to be a dump job, but the result of a flat or negative piii
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RE:foot jobs at compitition 15 Jul 2006 19:29 #6

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smitty88 wrote:
do you think the 2nd pic he took to much off Rick?
:D No, I don't think he took anything off Rick.

To properly answer your question, no I don't.

Though the angle of the photo is skewed, the shoe does look a bit tight in the quarters, the heel nail is too far back for my liking and the hoof looks like its got a bull-nosed dorsal wall. That shouldnot have DQ'd the job. I really don't have a clue what the judge found wrong.
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RE:foot jobs at compitition 16 Jul 2006 08:51 #7

smitty88 wrote:
the only thing i could think at the time was that the outside
heel of the shoe was slightly off the heel of the foot

the specimen was good

If this means the heel is floated, it would surely warrant a zero score in those contests where I was a judge.

I have nothing against floated heels if there are good grounds to use them. But on this kind of shoeing the foot needs to be carried by the shoe fully. By the way what I can tell from the pics the shoe could be set fuller too. I like to see that on this type of feet.

Remember we're discussing competition shoeing here. So rasp marks would kill you, so would clinches the are not equally spaced, are too low or not square. Clips need to be burned in, NO gap beside the clip. A shoe should be set full, lateral and medial side should be equally full. So that shoe that got a second would not do by my standards for competition horse shoeing. That one would not meet my standards anyway because the wall bulges. Walls need to be straight period. This is called hoof prep before shoeing...........


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RE:foot jobs at compitition 16 Jul 2006 09:43 #8

smitty88 wrote:
if was judging i would carry the same view
but i might not give him a zero

just mark him down


That's what I do! I mark him down to zero :D Just kidding Smitty!! I almost never judge anyway. It's been years!

What I like about judging is that it allows you to come up with very rigid criteria for foot and shoe prep, shoeing and finishing. Those criteria need to be clear and generally accepted. Hey, you need to judge shoes from Germans, Dutch, Spanish, Greek and British competitors, just to name a few! (Not that I ever judged that kind of contests) These demands force you to stand your ground on a undisputable level. (If there is such a thing :rolleyes: )

You know a shoe needs to be set full, clinches square and equal, clips burned in, clip height in relation to the type of shoe, shoe needs to be flat and never ever floated. Handed out description of the shoe needs to be met fully. Sole needs to be cut out, no dirt left in the sulci, traces of trush need to be cut out fully, no blood. Walls need to be straight. Clinches need to come out to be level, not pulled down to level them up. (Spaces above clinch in wall should be equal on all clinches and no more than a clinch lenght in height) Stuff like that.

I meet a lot of shoers that tell me they would never enter a competition, because that kind of shoeing has got nothing to do with 'real' day to day shoeing. They may have a point, but on the other hand if you can shoe a horse to meet those standards, I know you'll be able to shoe a horse meeting day to day demands too!



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