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RE:Hot shoeing 20 Apr 2006 19:38 #16

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Hi all,

I know guys that use a pritchel I'm not fussy about it. You have to pre adjust the vise grips and like I said if you let a jaw hang over a bit it makes a good guide. The only catch with vise grips is they suck the heat out so you need to keep them away from clips also. Oh the other thing is lots of times I'll burn then set the shoe on the ground rasp then burn again, vise grips make that easy and lots of times if it needs a tweak I don't bother to change to tongs. The best way to learn to shape hot is to make lots of shoes.

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RE:Hot shoeing 20 Apr 2006 20:38 #17

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NHFarrier wrote:
A big problem yesterday was definitely with the unclipped shoes while hot fitting...they would slide and that was a pain! I think I'll try the vice grip idea first, I usually have a pair in the truck. I just get the shoe hot enough so that it doesn't burn in too quickly. I need lots of practice shaping hot. I am used to cold shaping and making a few trips back and forth from anvil to horse. Since I am still developing my eye for fit, it took a lot longer to get the shoe shaped hot, because I'd have to quench it each time I went to the horse. I got through 4 horses yesterday as a start.

Amy
amy i dont burn non clip shoes on
not a good idea quenching every time you go back to the foot
but if you feel happy doing this carry on

what system do you go about hot shoeing
your going well doing 4

what type of horses to get to hot shoe
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RE:Hot shoeing 20 Apr 2006 20:52 #18

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Amy, get a pair of vice gribs and grind off about 1/4 to a 1/2 inch off one jaw. You can clamp down on your hot shoe and the over hanging jaw will be your guide like a toe clip! Wear a welding glove on your hand and you will not feel much heat! Good Luck! Gary
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RE:Hot shoeing 21 Apr 2006 00:11 #19

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Smitty,
People that use pritchels. Do you have a special hot fitting pritchel. It seems like you wouldn't want to use your forging pritchel because it would take the temper out?
Thanks.
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RE:Hot shoeing 21 Apr 2006 06:52 #20

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Andrew Grimm wrote:
Smitty,
People that use pritchels. Do you have a special hot fitting pritchel. It seems like you wouldn't want to use your forging pritchel because it would take the temper out?
Thanks.
Andrew it doesent have to a good pritchel a little longer than norm
i use the same pritchel all the time
we call it a carring pritchel

every so often you can dress it to your preference
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RE:Hot shoeing 22 Apr 2006 01:17 #21

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Smitty - Why don't you burn shoes without clips? I actually didn't quench the shoe everytime....I'd start shaping the shoe hot, quench once, finish shaping cold so I could get a perfect fit, then box and safe and burn the shoe on. That will be the way I do it for a while until I get a little more confident.

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RE:Hot shoeing 22 Apr 2006 02:03 #22

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Best tips I have is get a nice metal ruler and take measurement of the widest part of the foot and then shape your shoe. I try to picture the foot in side a box and the relate that to the shoe I'm shaping. While the shoes hot I sight the shoe over the foot without burning it if I have to make a major adjustment than I still have enough heat to do so and then take to the foot to burn. Also, when hot shaping I use to close my nail hole until someone told me to focus my hammer blows on the edge of the shoe towards the foot surface side if that makes any sense?
Hope this helps alittle.
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RE:Hot shoeing 22 Apr 2006 04:45 #23

NHFarrier wrote:
A big problem yesterday was definitely with the unclipped shoes while hot fitting...they would slide and that was a pain! I think I'll try the vice grip idea first, I usually have a pair in the truck. I just get the shoe hot enough so that it doesn't burn in too quickly. I need lots of practice shaping hot. I am used to cold shaping and making a few trips back and forth from anvil to horse. Since I am still developing my eye for fit, it took a lot longer to get the shoe shaped hot, because I'd have to quench it each time I went to the horse. I got through 4 horses yesterday as a start.

Amy
As far as fit goes:
Scott Simpson came up with names for different foot shapes( wich is brilliant becouse we remember names and associate the shapes with them) and Lee Green came up with a great Idea, he knoched marks on his hoof knife at different widths that corasponded with marks on his anvil. So in theiry one could trim a foot, "name" the foot then measure the widest part of the foot. One would think if you got the shape right and width right the shoe would fit.

Personally, the only times I would hot fit an unclipped shoe ( way different than hot shaping) is:

If the foot was realy saturated in water

If the foot had a bacteria , fungal infection, or poor horn quaility

If I was praticing fitting hot :D

You might try thinking about where the shoe should go before you start burning even if the shoes has clips. Dont get in the habbit of pullling the cliped shoe back untill the clips stop the shoe.

Hope this advice I was given helps
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RE:Hot shoeing 22 Apr 2006 13:20 #24

Perhaps i mmisunderstand, but when I clip a shoe and fit it, the clip is set in the wall and the clip absolutley stops the shoe. If the shoe shape, clip angle, toe radius, arches, and heels are right: set it on, scorch a clip(s) mark, then push pull and blow for a three to four count. When its done, a horse could walk down the isle without nails with a 1/4 or side clipped shoe!
Setting a rocker i've been using a cheat. I'll trim the foot flat and leave it that way, set the hot shoe on and let the rocker mark what needs rocked on the hoof... gently rasp the toe( sometimes half web, sometimes from the toe nails, sometimes from the side clips) until the scorch is gone then hot fit the shoe--- a perfect fit 99% of the time.
I hate working aluminium because I have to do it cold to save the tempering of the shoe. I do not understand why some folks preffer to work cold... I am WAY to lazy to pound hard....If you get it hot enough before hand, a flew gentle brushes and strokes brings the train into the station quickly and smoothly! :rolleyes: :D (how RUDE!)
Jason
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RE:Hot shoeing 22 Apr 2006 15:15 #25

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Jason,
Great idea about the way you fit a rocker toe. I've been practicing the old fashioned way and am kindoff inconsistant in getting a perfect fit. I'll try this.
When preping the foot for a rocker I tend to leave extra wall in the toe to accomidate the bevel in the foot but even so after everthing is said and done the toe ends up coming out shorter than I'd like. Do you know what I mean? Any tips? And I think you said sometimes you'll rocker the toe from toe nail to toe nail or even frim clip to clip. How do you prep the foot for that? Seems like a great way to get brakover back while protecting the dorsal wall. talk to you soon.
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RE:Hot shoeing 23 Apr 2006 06:03 #26

Jason Maki wrote:
Perhaps i mmisunderstand, but when I clip a shoe and fit it, the clip is set in the wall and the clip absolutley stops the shoe. If the shoe shape, clip angle, toe radius, arches, and heels are right: set it on, scorch a clip(s) mark, then push pull and blow for a three to four count. When its done, a horse could walk down the isle without nails with a 1/4 or side clipped shoe!
Setting a rocker i've been using a cheat. I'll trim the foot flat and leave it that way, set the hot shoe on and let the rocker mark what needs rocked on the hoof... gently rasp the toe( sometimes half web, sometimes from the toe nails, sometimes from the side clips) until the scorch is gone then hot fit the shoe--- a perfect fit 99% of the time.
I hate working aluminium because I have to do it cold to save the tempering of the shoe. I do not understand why some folks preffer to work cold... I am WAY to lazy to pound hard....If you get it hot enough before hand, a flew gentle brushes and strokes brings the train into the station quickly and smoothly! :rolleyes: :D (how RUDE!)
Jason


Just re-read what i wrote.....what I should have said was make sure your shoe shape is rite before you burn the shoe.....when i first started shoeing hot I got in the habbit of pulling my shoes back untill the clips stoped the shoe. I was more focused on burning the clips in than I was on she placement. As a result my shoes where alwase 1/4" or more to far back.

Thats a great idea for fitting a rocker! :cool:
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RE:Hot shoeing 23 Apr 2006 18:46 #27

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Further proof that I have yet to hear "everything". This week, a long time client, with letters after her name and employed at local University, asked me to cease hot shoeing her horse. Seems her trainer told her that by hot shoeing, I was ruining the temper that was scientifically engineered into the factory made steel shoes; thereby causing premature shoe wear. My nefariuos purpose was to sell her new shoes more often so I could make my millions by gouging the poor horse owners. Thought for a moment this was a delayed April Fools incident but alas it was not.

I never laughed out loud nor was I dismissive towards her and I said nothing uncomplimentary about her trainer.

During the following hour, my client quite resceptively, attended short courses in Metalurgy and Business 101.

All is right with her world now.
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RE:Hot shoeing 24 Apr 2006 02:30 #28

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brian robertson wrote:
My nefariuos purpose was to sell her new shoes more often so I could make my millions by gouging the poor horse owners.


I thought I was the only one doing this?
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RE:Hot shoeing 24 Apr 2006 02:53 #29

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Brian,
Ask this client if her trainer, toward the end of their contract, has ever said something to the effect of; "well yes, we are coming along realy good now, but I think a little more work on (fill in blank) would realy get us to the next level".
Mark Twain said "If you want to know a man's vice, ask him what he's against"
Bill

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I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:Hot shoeing 24 Apr 2006 04:10 #30

Im currently getting a pattent on a horshoe nail that disolves at week 5 that combined with with Brians " non tempered" shoes, im assured my familly will be rich for generations. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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