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TOPIC: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes?

Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 21:13 #16

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Lori McBride wrote:
I do use nails. Clinches have nothing to do with holding a shoe on.

HAHAHA, I was TOTALLY waiting for someone to say that. B)


But seriously, I have heard this statement made before. So IF the clinches play no part in holding the shoe, and this is a legit question; (p.s. love what Christos said) then WHY do we do it?

Eric, do you nip the nail off and then rasp it flush? Because that would save me time and effort. Plus it would look awesome, just sayin. ;)

Someone on these boards once said they did their own horses that way W/O problems, but clients still liked to see clinches.
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 21:39 #17

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Lori McBride wrote:

Eric, do you nip the nail off and then rasp it flush? Because that would save me time and effort. Plus it would look awesome, just sayin. ;)

I have nipped the nail off and filed flush to show people who don't believe me about clinches not holding shoes on. I clinch because it looks nice.

I don't block nails. I don't cut clinches when I pull shoes off unless it's obvious that all the wall is going to come with them.
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 21:40 #18

Travis, do you drive lower nails?

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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 21:42 #19

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Gilreath Horseshoeing wrote:
I do the same as Jack. I just pull em off most of the time unless its a weak foot. Never had any be sore from it.

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if i caught my App doing that i dont know what i would do with them
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 22:23 #20

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Im with John Here
My Teachers tought me better than that
there are rare occasions I have had to just get in n ripp a shoe off a hoof , but Its not to be made habbit of as in short or long term will n does damage unwanted
Clenches do play part on holding shoe to hoof even the week or water logged soft hoof
but you try n ripp off the shoe from a good dry hoof n see ho hard you work if the clenches are well formed n laid to seat in hoof n see how ya go
not those that were half wrasped away when first fitted

I dont like the practice of wrenching shoes I think it a bad habbit and Its makes Me feel sort of lazy n disrespectful to the horse the owner myself my teachers n the TRADE
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 22:27 #21

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Red Amor wrote:
Im with John Here
My Teachers tought me better than that
there are rare occasions I have had to just get in n ripp a shoe off a hoof , but Its not to be made habbit of as in short or long term will n does damage unwanted
Clenches do play part on holding shoe to hoof even the week or water logged soft hoof
but you try n ripp off the shoe from a good dry hoof n see ho hard you work if the clenches are well formed n laid to seat in hoof n see how ya go
not those that were half wrasped away when first fitted

I dont like the practice of wrenching shoes I think it a bad habbit and Its makes Me feel sort of lazy n disrespectful to the horse the owner myself my teachers n the TRADE
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well said Red
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 22:53 #22

Think it depends on how big your clinches are and how thick they are. Small clinches make no difference to me, but if you leave big fat clinches on them then I do think it can tweak and wrench the foot, or pull hoof wall with it. I don't see a problem when clinches are small.

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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 22:55 #23

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I pull the nails out individually. Sometimes pull the shoe off with the two toe nails left.

Easier on the horse and less distortion to the shoe.

Lori, you've got me worried now that I may have gouged too much. Last foot the clinches laid all the way into wall and I barely touched them with the rasp.

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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 19 May 2012 23:11 #24

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Red Amor wrote:
there are rare occasions I have had to just get in n ripp a shoe off a hoof , ut Its not to be made habbit of as in short or long term will n does damage unwanted

This sounds similarly like the barefooters saying nails are bad for feet. Can you explain the short and long term damage done?
but you try n ripp off the shoe from a good dry hoof n see ho hard you work if the clenches are well formed n laid to seat in hoof n see how ya go
not those that were half wrasped away when first fitted

With or without a clinch some shoes come off easy and some are very tight.
I dont like the practice of wrenching shoes I think it a bad habbit and Its makes Me feel sort of lazy n disrespectful to the horse the owner myself my teachers n the TRADE

Just because someone doesn't cut the clinch doesn't mean they're wrenching the shoe off.
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There's nothing really to fire away at. You said you do it because of tradition. I've seen enough shoes come off with no damage to the foot that I see no reason to stick to tradition just for the sake of tradition. If somebody could come up with a valid reason I'd go back to cutting clinches.
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 20 May 2012 00:31 #25

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Travis Morgan wrote:
Rick,
The shoes that were recovered were pretty much flat. That's why I'm concerned. I was trying like hell to find them hung in some wire or something.
OK, what do the nails and clinches look like? ie: are any of the nails twisted or sheared off or bent in on direction or another, etc? What is the condition of the hoof wall ?
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 20 May 2012 01:44 #26

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Sorry you feel that way guys. Don't know about your word wrenching, Red. You've never seen me pull a shoe, but I do it the same way whether I cut clinches or not. Now I'm 74 years old and not real big so it can't be nearly as hard as you make it out to be. At any rate, I try to make sure my clenches are the weak part of the job. If a horse hangs a shoe, he is strong enough to pull it off and I'd like the nails to pull out, not rip hoof.

Eric stated my thoughts well.
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 20 May 2012 01:54 #27

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MPLdyCop wrote:
I pull the nails out individually. Sometimes pull the shoe off with the two toe nails left.

Easier on the horse and less distortion to the shoe.

Lori, you've got me worried now that I may have gouged too much. Last foot the clinches laid all the way into wall and I barely touched them with the rasp.

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I'd love to do this, Kim, but doing high mileage horses in an abrasive environment, I rarely have much groove or nailhead left. Resets are a rare thing on the horses I do. If the nails are loose enough in the nailholes, I can sometimes partially lift the shoe, knock it back down and grab individual nails with the pull offs, but often the nail is tight enough in the shoe to just go back down with the shoe.
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 20 May 2012 03:24 #28

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Jack Evers wrote:
I'd love to do this, Kim, but doing high mileage horses in an abrasive environment, I rarely have much groove or nailhead left. Resets are a rare thing on the horses I do. If the nails are loose enough in the nailholes, I can sometimes partially lift the shoe, knock it back down and grab individual nails with the pull offs, but often the nail is tight enough in the shoe to just go back down with the shoe.

I do that as well, partially lifting the shoe, then knock it back down and grab the nails with the corner of the pull offs.
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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 20 May 2012 03:27 #29

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Christos Axis wrote:
Eric Russell wrote:
I do use nails. Clinches have nothing to do with holding a shoe on.
Of course not, it is the nailhead that holds the shoe on. Clinches only hold the nail on. :pc:

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Re: Could clinch gouging cause lost shoes? 20 May 2012 03:28 #30

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Gilreath Horseshoeing wrote:
Travis, do you drive lower nails?

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Not if I can avoid it.
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