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RE:Spavin shoe 23 Dec 2011 21:59 #16

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tbloomer wrote:
Outdamned standing description David. Thanks for sharing. How's that book coming along?

Great thanks im half way through page one,
chapter 1
Flat shoe, Flat foot, right sized shoe with as much symmetry as the sensitive structures will allow, try and keep sound horses sound and be careful what you claim to be able to fix.

I,m struggling with chapter 2.
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RE:Spavin shoe 23 Dec 2011 22:10 #17

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david a hall wrote:
Great thanks im half way through page one,
chapter 1
Flat shoe, Flat foot, right sized shoe with as much symmetry as the sensitive structures will allow, try and keep sound horses sound and be careful what you claim to be able to fix.

I,m struggling with chapter 2.
Methinks you've got it covered.

Save something for the second edition. Maybe cover barefoot, oh wait, shoe covers bare foot, end of problem. Never mind.
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Spavin shoe 23 Dec 2011 22:28 #18

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tbloomer wrote:
Methinks you've got it covered.

Save something for the second edition. Maybe cover barefoot, oh wait, shoe covers bare foot, end of problem. Never mind.

Chapter two
barefoot, state of readiness for the application of a horse shoe.
chapter three
some pictures with blood in them.
chapter four
Natural balance................. probably need some guidance on that one!!
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RE:Spavin shoe 23 Dec 2011 22:52 #19

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david a hall wrote:
They set the heels to lighten the shoe a little, a graduated shoe such as for a curb is a linear graduation where the toe is one third the thickness of the heel and are very heavy. I think that is is fair to say that the spavin shoe has been sidelined these days.

Various other ancillary features for the shoe are regarded as more being benifical for the condition.
rolled to to prevent toe stabbing the ground due to low cranial arc.
plain stamp outside toe quarter to allow slippage under load and not transfer those forces up the leg.
lateral extension to prevent counter rotation on soft ground and bar to prevent independent movement between the heels as a result of the hoof tracking towards the mid center line.

Thanks David very appreciated!
Chad Rice, CF
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 00:19 #20

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david a hall wrote:
Natural balance................. probably need some guidance on that one!!
Natural balance - center of axle = widest part of tire.
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 00:25 #21

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ps, let me know if you need help with photoshop.
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 14:02 #22

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I find a lot of diagnosed "spavin" to have negative palmar angles behind. Secondarily, many have high medial heels and quarters. Dealing with these issues in the initial trim and then finishing the correction with an appropriate shoeing package helps the majority of these cases. I radiograph the hind hooves of any spavin case I run into.

M. W. Myers, DVM
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 14:44 #23

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I find a lot of diagnosed "spavin" to have negative palmar angles behind. Secondarily, many have high medial heels and quarters. Dealing with these issues in the initial trim and then finishing the correction with an appropriate shoeing package helps the majority of these cases. I radiograph the hind hooves of any spavin case I run into.

M. W. Myers, DVM


Dr. Myers, I've found the same to be correct. The two in horses I was thinking about in particular both have "flat", not neccessarily negative ventral angles, high inside "windswept" feet with hemoraging in the lat. quarters.

Is the spavin the effect of the feet, or could in some cases it be the cause?
Chad Rice, CF
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 14:51 #24

Makes me wonder if permanent heel caulkins on typical polo shoes are a great idea for hock soundness ??? - given the use of wedged heels to promote chronic later stage hock ossification. Its the same thing isn't it?.

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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 17:51 #25

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Dr. Myers, I've found the same to be correct. The two in horses I was thinking about in particular both have "flat", not neccessarily negative ventral angles, high inside "windswept" feet with hemoraging in the lat. quarters.

Is the spavin the effect of the feet, or could in some cases it be the cause?

I feel a lot of lameness from the foot up through the back can be the result of low palmar angles having relieved many cases with the simple adjustment of a good trim and shoe application. I have seen soem relatively "normal" appearing pastern axis alignments externally that were not so good when radiographed. These responded well to realignment since there was some decent hoof mass to work with.

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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 17:53 #26

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I feel a lot of lameness from the foot up through the back can be the result of low palmar angles having relieved many cases with the simple adjustment of a good trim and shoe application. I have seen soem relatively "normal" appearing pastern axis alignments externally that were not so good when radiographed. These responded well to realignment since there was some decent hoof mass to work with.

M. W. Myers, DVM

Doc do you have any pics of your shoeing packages for these type cases?
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 18:20 #27

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mwmyersdvm wrote:
I find a lot of diagnosed "spavin" to have negative palmar angles behind. Secondarily, many have high medial heels and quarters. Dealing with these issues in the initial trim and then finishing the correction with an appropriate shoeing package helps the majority of these cases. I radiograph the hind hooves of any spavin case I run into.

M. W. Myers, DVM

Do you observe this bilaterally or unilaterally?
The high medial heel isnt rocket science, the affected leg if you watch it walk away will track to the mid-center line as they place the leg to avoid some of the compressional rotational forces that effect the medial distal tarsal joint, they will have a low weak outside heel as this area takes the brunt of the ground impact. The hoof capsule distortion is a consequence of the acquired gait so care must be taken not to force the hoof back to a normal gait and pressuring the medial aspect of the hock. The trade off is NPA and sheared heels.
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 18:34 #28

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I feel a lot of lameness from the foot up through the back can be the result of low palmar angles having relieved many cases with the simple adjustment of a good trim and shoe application. I have seen soem relatively "normal" appearing pastern axis alignments externally that were not so good when radiographed. These responded well to realignment since there was some decent hoof mass to work with.

M. W. Myers, DVM

What would you suggest causes these low angles that you were able to correct?, poor shoeing or managment? there is a need for correct shoeing before any one claims corrective shoeing.

The thread is about spavin, if we are talking about the usual definition of spavin which will involve progressive and ireversable changes, as a farrier i might just might be able to relieve a few symptoms with some good clinical history but that is as much as i would claim.
After that id want some chemicals in it.
If there is proximal suspensory issues then you might have some success sorting that with angle change.
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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 19:40 #29

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What would you suggest causes these low angles that you were able to correct?, poor shoeing or managment? there is a need for correct shoeing before any one claims corrective shoeing.

The thread is about spavin, if we are talking about the usual definition of spavin which will involve progressive and ireversable changes, as a farrier i might just might be able to relieve a few symptoms with some good clinical history but that is as much as i would claim.
After that id want some chemicals in it.
If there is proximal suspensory issues then you might have some success sorting that with angle change.

Generally, by the time I see the case, it would be difficult to say how the hoof changes occurred. Usually there is a combination of factors from inadequate nutrition to grow a good hoof capsule to inattention to trimming detail and shoe application to offset the increasing hoof distortion. Some techniques purported to increase stride length "under the horse" are often involved. But, rather than lay blame, I do a thorough job of assessing the situation than exists now and begin a rehabilitative process.

Angle changes are only a portion of the process. The hoof base of support, any torsional problems, wall flares, bar flares, and other pathology are noted and dealt with in a stepwise fashion. Relieving any hoof problems has usually made the situation better and often allows the horse to being a more effective healing process himself. Making the horse more comfortable and improving his limb mechanics can only have positive benefits. Your relief of signs is a positive effort that can result in the horse completing the process.

Dependent on the location of the bony changes in the horse diagnosed with spavin, allowing the horse to move better can accelerate the fusion of the joints and thus relieve the pain at some point. I have had a number of cases return to work with correct trims and shoeing and some additional control of discomfort for a period of time. I use very few injections, even on previously injected cases referred to me.

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RE:Spavin shoe 24 Dec 2011 19:51 #30

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Yep that makes more sense thankyou.
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