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TOPIC: Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium?

RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 04:45 #46

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Alicia what does OCD stand for?

Yup OCD in my case it is balance, pattern, symmetry based. Okay and when I took microbiology in college I had a short lived issue with germs. lol I am mostly over that thank God.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 04:51 #47

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Can you tell when a freshly shod horse stands on concrete and puts a roll into one toe and not the other??:confused::cool:

Maybe not initially but if there is more tension on one dft it will eventually effect stride, and muscle tension will be uneven, which will effect flexibility.

In the hind end the differences are much more easily felt and I quite honestly would be able to feel something was uneven depending on the footing. When you focus on riding your horse very straight and between the aids the minor differences in muscles, push from left to right, and joint range of motion is pretty easy to pick up.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 05:19 #48

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BS-Horseshoeing wrote:
Tom,did anyone take it that far? Were talking about having skills to do this job, not the skills to make the products to make the stuff to do this job. You take things to far. If you got a problem with oraganizations and their theories, go tell them.

See I actually thought the same way as Tom. As civilizations progress we mechanize what can be done cheaper, easier, and faster via specialized production.

Who is to say where that line needs to be drawn, or if indeed it does? Have the skills to do it yourself when needed but there is no need that we stop any and all modernization of the trade.

Also if the forge work is a passion for some, that is fabulous. For me I am more thrilled with the puzzle solving this career involves.

I love the part where we discover what the horse needs, what it doesn't need but can benefit from, and seeing how our changes effect the horse as it works.

Anyways the only reason this became an issue is that I will admit that I find it close minded to assume that everyone has to do things the same way. How do we keep pushing each other and sharing information if we make petty issues sand between us.

Hell I just want to help horses. If you think I am less than you because I choose to purchase and apply shoes that are partially modified instead of doing ever hammer blow myself.... well I will admit I think that is silly.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 07:02 #49

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alicia , i probably worded it wrong , i meant to say why worry about the finish on a readymade when all we do is put it in the forge bash it with hammer and grind/rasp to polish it up . IMO finish is the least important factor , nailholes and section mean more to me and i think nailholes in factory shoes are either to coarse or fine for a lot of equine . we are being forced by manufacturers and wholesalers via the media to shoe horses their way , not what in the majority of cases the way that is best for the individual
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 11:13 #50

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BS-Horseshoeing wrote:
Tom,did anyone take it that far?
You tell me.
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i dont quite understand why folk take on a traditional hands on profession then look for ways to take shortcuts and easier ways when it is a known fact it is a physical and hands on craft that requires a lot of forge work . perhaps its just me that sees it this way
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90% of shoes i use are handmades .
chris
Were talking about having skills to do this job, not the skills to make the products to make the stuff to do this job.
What's this "we" are talking about? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
You take things to far. If you got a problem with oraganizations and thier theories, go tell them.
Jump threads much?
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 11:52 #51

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chris bunting wrote:
alicia , i probably worded it wrong , i meant to say why worry about the finish on a readymade when all we do is put it in the forge bash it with hammer and grind/rasp to polish it up . IMO finish is the least important factor , nailholes and section mean more to me and i think nailholes in factory shoes are either to coarse or fine for a lot of equine . we are being forced by manufacturers and wholesalers via the media to shoe horses their way , not what in the majority of cases the way that is best for the individual
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Maybe you don't have the selection and variety of shoes available that we have here in the US. Most machine made shoes are graduated in cross section according to size. I carry 3 different shoe profiles of various brands in course, medium, and fine nail holes. On a coarse nail shoe I don't have any problem fitting a nail line to the white line and then boxing and safing the shoe to the foot.

What I can't get without ordering several thousand feet or paying substantially more than the cost of machine made shoes is 3/8" x 7/8" flat bar, 5/16" x 3/4" flat bar, half oval flat bar, and hot rolled concave. So if I WANT to forge shoes that give me the same variety of sections that I can get in machine made shoes, I would have to bump, swage, or draw out steel or aluminum from whatever selection of bar stock is available.

I don't forge hand made shoes to serve MY NEEDS. I am well capable of doing that, and there are times when I must do that in order to serve the needs of the horse.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 14:30 #52

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Alicia Thompson wrote:
See I actually thought the same way as Tom. As civilizations progress we mechanize what can be done cheaper, easier, and faster via specialized production.

Who is to say where that line needs to be drawn, or if indeed it does? Have the skills to do it yourself when needed but there is no need that we stop any and all modernization of the trade.

Also if the forge work is a passion for some, that is fabulous. For me I am more thrilled with the puzzle solving this career involves.

I love the part where we discover what the horse needs, what it doesn't need but can benefit from, and seeing how our changes effect the horse as it works.

Anyways the only reason this became an issue is that I will admit that I find it close minded to assume that everyone has to do things the same way. How do we keep pushing each other and sharing information if we make petty issues sand between us.

Hell I just want to help horses. If you think I am less than you because I choose to purchase and apply shoes that are partially modified instead of doing ever hammer blow myself.... well I will admit I think that is silly.

Look you wanna buy everything that's fine, I never said it was wrong. I never said I made everything but that it was good to have the skill to make what you need when a store bought wasn't going to work. I don't believe you can buy everything you need or modify those store boughts without the skills from the past of this trade. Unless like Mr. Stovall you've got a plasma cutter or CNC machine and can cut it out.

I also never claimed to be or said I was better than anybody. I don't even claim to be good at this profession. So don't put words on me I didn't write. I just thought that your statement about buying everything cause machine made is better was a bit ridiculous. Let's leave it at that.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 14:36 #53

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tbloomer wrote:
You tell me.



What's this "we" are talking about? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Jump threads much?


Just you in this thread took it that far, but we all know your the smart one so...

Sorry, my grammer must have taken a vacation. I know your smater than me so feel free to correct anything you deem proper.

Sometimes jumping threads happens. You made the statement about how some people think if your not doing things thier way then it's wrong and that kind of leads back to some statements made by some WCB members and some threads with Mr. Stovall. If a person keeps track of things they know where others stand in these discussions and we all have seen where you feel the organizations are at, so just made a bit of a leap. Sorry if that put you off, maybe you have tender feelings, I didn't mean to upset you.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 17:20 #54

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BS-Horseshoeing wrote:
. . . You made the statement about how some people think if your not doing things thier way then it's wrong . . .
No. Alicia said that.
and that kind of leads back to some statements made by some WCB members and some threads with Mr. Stovall. If a person keeps track of things they know where others stand in these discussions and we all have seen where you feel the organizations are at, so just made a bit of a leap.
Yea I get that. It's sort of like quantum mechanics where you open the box and Schrodinger's cat is eating a horse that swallowed a cow that swallowed a goat . . .
Sorry if that put you off, maybe you have tender feelings, I didn't mean to upset you.
LOL! I wasn't telling a lie when I said I don't take BS "seriously."
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 20:39 #55

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It's called saving time.

Yea, but your sacrificeing the time spent developing hammer control. Draw your own clips, forge your rolled toes and rocker toes in the end your saveing time and developed great skills.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 20:57 #56

Alicia Thompson wrote:
In fact in the modern times we now live I would say that for the most part anything that we can hand make can be made more precisely via machine. I have seen the difference being a few mm off can make.

I want precision on my horse and clients horses so if I can buy it cheaper, easier, better AND faster than making it..... to each their own.

If that were true I would use more manufactured bar shoes.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 21:45 #57

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Phil Armitage wrote:
If that were true I would use more manufactured bar shoes.
Henrob 2000 makes fast bar shoe welds. ;)
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 15 Aug 2011 22:28 #58

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Yea, but your sacrificeing the time spent developing hammer control. Draw your own clips, forge your rolled toes and rocker toes in the end your saveing time and developed great skills.
My clipping hammer got out of control and ran off with Linda. :mad:
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 16 Aug 2011 05:17 #59

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Re handmade versus machine made.

I know guys (sorry not many lady farriers around here) who make more money than me and all they do is slap on the cheapest kegs they can get their hands on and wouldn't know what a forge was if it fell out of a packet of cornflakes.

I charge substantially more, but I can't do a hot set any faster than 50-55 min and if there are mods, commensurately longer. Handmades? Hah! I only do them because I want to, because I can't get paid for doing them around here... and it just gives me a bit more mystique.

But the steel hangers can still line 'em up and knock them out in 20 - 30 min a head and are in the pub by midday while I'm still out there late f@rt-@rsing around trying to do a good job.

Well I'm just built that way, I'd handmake everything if I could get the money, but it just ain't worth it.

As a matter of fact, when I moved to this area I swore I was just going to hang steal and leave the high falutin stuff to others... couldn't do it.

But I am partly with Alicia, if I can buy a machine made that I like and is good for the horse, and only modify as necessary, stuff it, that's what I'm going to do to save time and I'll just make a few here and there for my own amusement.
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RE:Kerckhaert 'comfort' shoe how does it compare to the Mustad Equilibrium? 16 Aug 2011 13:20 #60

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Exactly Anthony.

Also since folks seem to equate not wanting to do all the work myself to me saying I don't do forge work at all.

I should just go on record saying I did spend an hour and a half on Saturday changing a whack of shoes I bought and dislike into ones I can actually use.
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