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TOPIC: paton / Z / and W shoes??

paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 00:47 #1

  • michaelgalik
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i have some questions that maybe you can help with... and i know every situation and every horse type varies...but.... why and where would a person consider putting a......
1. paton bar shoe
2. a z bar shoe
3. a w shoe

i know that there is a ton of reasons for using each type of shoe. but i would just like an idea of when to consider each type of shoe..... for example i would use a square toe to help facilitate breakover. ive never received any training on any of these types of shoes and am egar to learn..... thank you
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 02:44 #2

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Suggest that you do a search on this site and when you have read what has been written come back and ask more specific questions relevant to your needs. I have been shoeing 40+ years and have never used any of the aforementioned shoes.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 02:57 #3

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Z bar was most recent I used and here is what I used it on.... 2 year old warmblood that was pose to be the riders next show horse....in one of the paddocks was small stobs from small trees that had been cut ground level....over time they where exposed and that horse tore a heel off to the hair line from the 1/4 back.....I made a z bar and put a frog support pad with the shoe....I burned the z bar over the frog support so that it would add support and a pad is much cheaper than using pour in...I then drilled holes in the pad and packed with impression material and when the horse steps down it allows the extra to push out so not to much pressure...it healed up way better that I expected ...the z bar alowwed me to unload that heel and keep horse comfy and on turn out...I think I have pics on my facebook if ya send me a request....hope that helps a little ...as u pointed out these guys are pretty crafty and I'm sure ya gonna get many uses for ur request..if ya can get with another farrier and. Give him some of ur time for free and pick his brain when the time is right...
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 03:24 #4

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I've used a Patton several times for DDFT injury or inflammation in the back of the foot. Once for a bad case of scratches. For DDFT injury there's a thin line between alleviating the pain and allowing the tendon to heal in a shortened position. Veterinary advice would be good.

I haven't used the other two, but there are threads on here.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 12:40 #5

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Have used the patton shoe for severed tendons and even had success on one dlsd horse. The Z bar I have used for quarter cracks or sheared heel mostly. Never used the W shoe, but its basically an open toed heartbar shoe.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 14:47 #6

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these are great responces... thank you. so if i got it right?

1. paton shoes deal with tendons?(deef/superficial) with vets request
2. z bar deals with severely missing 1/4s or for unloading a loaded heel
3. w bar works for severe cases when there there is little to no toe

(for a rule of thumb)


i would really enjoy workin with an experienced farrier..... i worked with eddy marris for a little bit and learned allot... but my current job requires allot of my time. but hopefully soon i can find some around here. thank you for your time...
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 16:07 #7

The W shoe is an open toe heart bar. Used for several things but most likely a founder.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 24 Apr 2011 16:07 #8

I have never used a Z bar. I am lazy and use a G bar. I think next time I will try the Z.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 25 Apr 2011 23:59 #9

clearthinkingone wrote:
I have never used a Z bar. I am lazy and use a G bar. I think next time I will try the Z.

My spelling is off anyway :rolleyes:


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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 26 Apr 2011 01:17 #10

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For bad heels, my first was a selenium toxic horse, cracked and sore on both. I used a "T" bar. Worked fine in a straight line, but on a turn the horse had problems. Since then, I've used heel coverage and just floated the heels while using a heart bar or frog support pad to carry the load.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 01 May 2011 00:52 #11

Concerning the patton bar shoe I would only use it on a deep flexor tendon concern such as a laceration. Putting this shoe on for reason associated with the Superficial flexor tendon will only put undo stress on the SFT as raising the angle of the foot will strain the SFT. In this case I would put a fishtail bar shoe on a horse with a SFT lameness.
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RE:paton / Z / and W shoes?? 01 May 2011 01:45 #12

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Dan,

The move to Texas must really agree with you. You've gotten much, much better looking! ;) :)
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