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RE:Keg shoe modifications 06 Dec 2010 23:16 #151

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
Why didn't I hear about this clinic?

Anyway, the 20 pound bottles (which is what I have in the truck) are a real problem in the cold weather if you try to do any amount of forging.

The IFA put it on, I was in Jackson's a few days before and they told me about it. Not advertised very well.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 06 Dec 2010 23:51 #152

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cuttinshoer wrote:
The IFA put it on, I was in Jackson's a few days before and they told me about it. Not advertised very well.

I'm an IFA member but I don't remember hearing about it.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 01:03 #153

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
I'm an IFA member but I don't remember hearing about it.

I beleive I remember seeing it in the newsletter, but it was in small print.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 01:07 #154

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These are from a few months ago. I had not seen the horse and was told he wore a size 2 so I made this.

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When I get there one foot was a 2 but the foot that needed this shoe was an 0, so this is what I came up with.

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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 01:17 #155

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Good choice! The first shoe didn't look to nailable.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 01:23 #156

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Mark, I find it easier and faster to weld the bars on in this manner rather than in between the heels. You don't have to make a precise cut to get the bar to fit and it makes nice corners.

I keep a short peice of barstock that is already cut at an angle. Grind the heels of the shoe back flat and bevel them, fit the shoe, put it and the bar in the forge until there orange, pull them out and weld them. Couple hammer blows to flatten the weld(no grinding), cool and cut the excess off with the bandsaw, which leaves that peice angled for the next one. Box the shoe and clean up the bar with the grinder, around 15 min. or less for a pair including fit.

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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 01:25 #157

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Eric Russell wrote:
Good choice! The first shoe didn't look to nailable.

The lateral side would have been questionable, the vet wanted the width on the medial side.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 01:36 #158

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The lateral side would have been questionable, the vet wanted the width on the medial side.

The vet? What'd the farrier want? I find it EXTREMELY difficult to listen to vets tell me how to fit shoes.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 02:05 #159

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The vet? What'd the farrier want? I find it EXTREMELY difficult to listen to vets tell me how to fit shoes.

Extra width seemed fitting to me considering the torn medial collateral ligament. Probably some excess width on the handmade shoe but nothing a grinder wouldn't take care of. Actually the only thing that was asked for by the vet was an eggbar with a wide medial branch.

You seem to have a lot of hatred towards vets recommend a shoeing protocol. They carry that high dollar liability insurance for a reason. With the extent of this horses injuries his prognosis for return to work is grim. When things go south I would prefer to not be the guy that went against the recommendations of one of the largest equine practices in Kentucky. The insurance company will probably be looking for someone to blame in this day and age.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 02:11 #160

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I like these kerkhaert bar shoe inserts...they are cut from 1/4 stock, so it provides a nice recess for a horse with a prominent frog. Posted this under everyday shoeing a few weeks ago. didn't post pictures of shoes on the horse as they didn't come out very clearly as you can see now.





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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 02:13 #161

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What about this shoe Eric, this was prescribed by a vet. The horse was wearing the 2nd barshoe posted above with a wedge pad and IM before. Would you have a problem listening to the vet on this one if you really couldn't determine the cause of the lameness.
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By the way the vet was Scott Morrison, pretty nice guy to talk to on the phone, I have a couple horse under his care at the moment, Should I go against his recomendations because he is a vet.
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 02:37 #162

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Extra width seemed fitting to me considering the torn medial collateral ligament. Probably some excess width on the handmade shoe but nothing a grinder wouldn't take care of.

Hmmmm, extra width? Why the fuller so coarse? If the vet wanted width and not a medial extension maybe you should have given what the vet wanted?

You seem to have a lot of hatred towards vets recommend a shoeing protocol.
But I said shoe fit not protocol
They carry that high dollar liability insurance for a reason.

But what you say the vet wanted and what you did is completely different.
With the extent of this horses injuries his prognosis for return to work is grim. When things go south I would prefer to not be the guy that went against the recommendations of one of the largest equine practices in Kentucky. The insurance company will probably be looking for someone to blame in this day and age.

Injuries? I thought you made the shoe for a specific injury? Now you're worried about the insurance company blaming some guy who nailed a piece of steel to a foot for injuries?

I know my job and don't base it on how big some vet practice is. :rolleyes:
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 03:04 #163

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Would you have a problem listening to the vet on this one if you really couldn't determine the cause of the lameness.

Couldn't determine lameness? So how does the vet have more say than you on how to fit a shoe which no one knows why you're fitting it?
By the way the vet was Scott Morrison, pretty nice guy to talk to on the phone, I have a couple horse under his care at the moment, Should I go against his recomendations because he is a vet.

Let's forget the name drop and call the vet Joe. Does Joe have no idea why the horse is lame? Does Joe want a wider web? Does Joe want a medial extension? Can Cuttinshoer deliver?

I can talk to vets, I don't just listen to them. Better things happen when you can talk and not just listen. ;)
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 03:15 #164

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The vet? What'd the farrier want? I find it EXTREMELY difficult to listen to vets tell me how to fit shoes.

totally and whole heartly agree with Eric on this one.

Everything from the coronary band and down is our domain; and everything above the coronary band is the vet's domain.

from your sister,:eek::rolleyes:....linda;)
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RE:Keg shoe modifications 07 Dec 2010 03:18 #165

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What about this shoe Eric, this was prescribed by a vet. The horse was wearing the 2nd barshoe posted above with a wedge pad and IM before. Would you have a problem listening to the vet on this one if you really couldn't determine the cause of the lameness.
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By the way the vet was Scott Morrison, pretty nice guy to talk to on the phone, I have a couple horse under his care at the moment, Should I go against his recomendations because he is a vet.

It's called common professional courtisy or common respect that is given.

linda
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