Tallisman wrote:
Hi Rick,
did anyone ever tell you that aggression is in most cases a sign of ignorance.
As you noted, "in most cases". Unless you have evidence to the contrary, demonstrably, I'm one of the ones thats in the 'exception to that observation' group.
If you could answer using scientific reasoning you would just say that and not all of the stuff you personally attacked me with.
Got your undies all wadded up and your feelings hurt, did you? You were given answers, ad naseum. time to learn to read for content in context.
I feel strongly that it is you that is insecure with your knowledge and abilities, not me.
Try channeling your strong feelings into something positive. Like cognitive brain function.
You don't know me and you have never seen me shoe a horse, so why would you make such childish personal attacks on someone who is chasing information, not just opinion, and asking people to justify it using some sort of scientific basis.
You were given measured, reasoned responses. You chose to ignore them and to contine to beat your drum. By the way, a dog chases its tail, people SEEK information.
Were would we be if the world did not try to prove things using scientific reasoning to determine if they were right or wrong and we just said, 'it is right or wrong because rick said so'! We would be still in the dark ages, were much of farriery is today.
Cytek isn't right or wrong either because of or inspite of me. Cytek is wrong for all the reasons that were enumerated for you. And if you will remember, I suggested you perform some field tests of your own(or did you miss that reply?) and draw your own conclusions.
Would it somehow have satisfied you if the Surgeon General of the United States came on the forums and stated that "Cytek shoes are bad for the horse"? Whether you agreed or not, it wouldn't change a thing. Cytek shoes are demonstrably bad for the horse.
I watched a horse shod using cytek shoes today for the first time ever
How honored you must feel.
The shoe was a pretty good fit
"pretty good". Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
and he explained there were 12 sizes of shoe from 4" to 61/2" moving up in 1/4" increments.
Be still my heart! Mediocrity(or perhaps even less) now comes in twelve sizes! Did this shaman also explain how you fit one of these unshapeable hunks of iron to a foot that doesn't fit the shoe's pre-cast pattern? Or is that a lesson for another day?
The only part of the shoeing that I would have changed as far as the shape of the foot was the heels were a little wider than I would have liked, especially on one side.
So this horse has a "U" shaped foot? And, not correctly fitted is still not correctly fitted, even if it is acceptable to you.
I see more shoeings too tight in the heels
In your own practice perhaps? Regardless, surely you don't hold me accountable for the shortcomings and inadequacies of those of your acquaintance do you?
What he said about flaring and undershoeing the flare made sense and is what I would do with a normal shoe anyway. I see so many farriers shape shoes to flares or turn heels to suit a contracted heel which only distorts the hoof more in most cases,
If your concept of fitting a shoe to a foot dovetails with the shape of the Cytek shoe, then of course what was said would make sense to you.
I really can see how this shoe could help some farriers.
The terminally incompetent, perhaps?
I am not conviced the breakover is in the right place but I don't know enough to really comment on that yet, but if that is where the NB shoe is placed then it must be ok as you all seem pretty positive about them.
Comparing a NB shoe to the Cytek shoe other than to say that the Cytek shoe is a badly made rip-off of the NB shoe pattern, is akin to comparing Macintosh Apples to road apples. And while many will happily chomp down on a Macintosh Apple, I know of no one of the human species who willingly or routinely chomps down on a road apple
I am not sure about the material, very different than any other shoe I have felt, feels a bit brittle.
Quite an astute observation. Perhaps you missed the lesson here on the thread, where it was explained why this is so? Think hard and let the words "cast iron" be your guide. Or is that not scientific enough for you(would 'cast Fe' aussage your delicate sensibilities?)?
I can tell you that this farrier did nice work and was very informative and the horse moved off just fine.
"When you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with BS" seems an appropriate response here. "moved off just fine" as compared to what?
He has 90% of his horses on cytek shoes and has had very little trouble with them.
Even a blind hog is able to find the occasional acorn. How about the other 10%? and what does it mean when you say, "he has had very little trouble with them?
He said the hoof capsules have improved immensly but has had a few gait problems (shortening of stride and traction).
Well there you go! Testimony right from the farrier's mouth about the efficacy and worth of the product he is installing. Makes me wonder why he would continue to want to provide less than optimum service and product to his clients.
He admitted that he has shod horses for 23yrs and felt there had to be a better way than the traditional methods he was using and although cytek may not be perfect he prefers it to what he used to do.
Did he perchance explain to you what the traditional methods he formerly used were? Did he tell you why they didn't work? Did you perhaps consider that he may not have really known what he was doing, and if he had applied the proper trim and correctly fitted the shoes in the first place, he would not be such a fan of such an inferior product?
He has been using cytek for 5 years and his clients go about 8 weeks between shoeings, which initially reduced his income, but he has picked up more clients now as many farriers refuse to use the shoes.
Have you considered WHY so many farriers refust to use the shoes?
He was forced to do training days before he was allowed to get access to the shoes and he has since been to other training days just to check his work and application and the last few training days were free.
The mind boggles at the inferences here.
I would challenge some of the things he said, as he did not convince me they were correct, but overall I would have to say I am not against the shoeing style yet.
Ever wonder about why someone has to pay to learn to use the Cytek shoes, yet can learn the NBS principles by reading , downloading and printing the FREE tutorial about the NB trimming and shoeing protocols? And can purchase the videos for a fraction of the cost of attending the cytek mind meld program. And no one is forced to do this in the NBS world. Makes me wonder even more about Cytek. How 'bout you?
He laughed when I told him about what people were saying and what I had heard, he just said he is getting good results and it is the horse that he worries about.
Demonstrably he worries very little.
I sought out a cytek farrier to ask him directly about his product because no person on here gave me the answers I was looking for.
ROTFLMAO!!! What did you expect him to tell you about his product? Tha it is unshapeable, has lousy nail holes, causes increased vibrations, is heavy and accurately fits almost no foot found on S. Equus(there are always exceptions to the rule, which is why I said 'almost')?
This guy gave me the time and was nice enough to answer as many of my questions as he could about cytek and why he uses the product, just wish he did not start so early in the morning, yaaawwwnnn.
Much the same courtesy as was extended, at least at first, here on the forums. So what's your beef( or broccoli if you are a vegan)?
Maybe people would listen to others on here if they did not get so aggressive.
You were accorded fair and honest answers here. Your continued trollishness(sic) has brought to the fore my oft stated inability to suffer fools at all(which by the way, sometimes includes me).
When you get aggressive it gives the opinion that you are scared and do not have any more information regarding something, and this is definitely what Rick seems to be doing.
Did you perhaps eat an extra portion of Quiche today? And while there are some things that do indeed scare me, Cytek shoes are not on that list. Doofi who apply them however, are.
Scare off anyone who doesn't just accept the answers on this board as gospel and you wont have to show anyone you don't really know!!
What is it that you contend I or anyone else who has taken the time to reply to you ,don't know? Personally, I couldn't care less if you or anyone else likes or agrees with my opinions, advise, answers, whatever. If you are so easily scared, then perhaps you need to be in a different profession. Fluffing up pillows comes to mind.
Have a great day

You do the same.