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Cytec 10 Nov 2005 17:44 #1

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Hi all,

I got a chuckle looking at this site. So what do you all think?

http://www.cytekhorse.com.au/index.html

Kevin
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if i was smart enought to spell properly I probably wouldnt be shoeing friggen horses for a living ay. Red Amor

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RE:Cytec 10 Nov 2005 17:55 #2

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I wondered what those fn things were. They have made there way to southern California.
Yet another miracle shoe to wizzard away your equine lamenss problems.

I have to say this, the guy is a sales man
Soliceter General Warning: This message may not have been spell checked for your protection
Just a piece of advice, think to yourself is this something I would say in front of a client, before your click the submit button.
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RE:Cytec 10 Nov 2005 19:11 #3

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looks sort of like rip off of an NB shoe.
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RE:Cytec 10 Nov 2005 20:25 #4

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Hi all,
SlowShoe wrote:
looks sort of like rip off of an NB shoe.

Yes a badly applied NB shoe, which makes me wonder which of the 2 was first marketed.

Kevin
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if i was smart enought to spell properly I probably wouldnt be shoeing friggen horses for a living ay. Red Amor

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RE:Cytec 10 Nov 2005 21:11 #5

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I felt let down when we got to the final BUT THATS NOT ALL!! in the benifits section
EVEN AFTER !!800 !! MILES!! :eek: there was no happy photos

These jokers must put a heep of time into finding the most awfull examples of over due poor quallity shoeing ever

all kidding aside the sales promotion mob earnt their doe, sorry ;)

but there is a lot of good info there yeah?
Mark Anthony Amor
If we want anymore excrement like that outta you we'll squeese ya head :eek:
Mind how ya go now ;)
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RE:Cytec 10 Nov 2005 21:29 #6

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Hi all,

"Cytek is not a rim shoeing system, it is a sole shoe."

"Is there a problem with modern day rim shoeing?
Well the following link is that of the U.S Governments statistics on lame
horses, sadly it doesn't include corrective shod horses, if it were the
stats would of course be even higher!"

Maybe the site was built by a former propaganda chief to Frau Strasser or the like cuz it has that same sort of misinformation ring to it. Anyway they are simply trying to befuddle horse owners into thinking it's a great thing as most farrier wouldn't buy into it.

Kevin
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Always strive to be the person your dog thinks you are.

if i was smart enought to spell properly I probably wouldnt be shoeing friggen horses for a living ay. Red Amor

If it don’t seem like it’s worth the effort it probably...
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RE:Cytec 10 Nov 2005 23:09 #7

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Good old Cytec hahahahahaahhahaaha we have had that in are area for a bit i am sorry i dont meen any disreaspect toanyone but GARBAGE we had a clinic with a fellow from england who works for Cytec and we also brought up Randy lukhart and we had the Cytec shoer do a horse and randy do one horse the tradional way and what a joke i meen i hope they didnt send there best shoer cuz it was a mess the cytec shoer pricked the horse and after the job was all done the horse was dead lame and as for randy what do u think everything was fine it was cool to see two diff types of shoeing mentors go at it verbally and defend there way's it was neat. well all i can say is i pick the traditonal way if i had never watched a farrier before. "scary whats out there".
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RE:Cytec 11 Nov 2005 00:18 #8

My understanding is that the Cytec shoes are manufactured of cast iron and cannot be shaped hot or cold. If you attempt to shape the shoe it fractures. Thus the many pictures on the cytec site of poorly fitted shoes.
George Spear
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RE:Cytec 11 Nov 2005 03:38 #9

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Cytek was born after someone from that bunch took (literally)an aluminum NB shoe from a NB seminar in the UK and sand cast a copy out of cast iron. Thus Cytek was born. A poor quality copy.
Huge nail holes and you cannot shape them at all (which is why Cytek says you don't *have* to shape them... :eek:
...Oh well it isn't hurting NB because once cytek farriers find the better quality NB original , one they can actually shape decently and use something smaller than draft nails , they usually switch. :D
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RE:Cytec 11 Nov 2005 07:15 #10

The guy seems a tad confused if you ask me.

While on one hand he has a few good premises about breakover and such - he gets scary when he says that a heel first landing is a bad thing, as is seeing expansion wear at the heels of the shoe!

Then to actually promote the idea to let the horse go 12 weeks between shoeing intervals! His one photo of a twelve week hoof contradicts his illustrations of his cytek shod hooves showing extrememly short shod hooves.

I'll agree with him on the dorsal rasping aspect - but he used a foundered hoof sagittal section as an example! In those cases I do rasp a loty of dorsal wall off!

If that photo of his "sole shod" hoof is something to strive for then, thank you very much, I'll keep blundering along with my methods! I suppose that when first shoeing the SOLE and the horse is sore, but works through it (read here the nerves in the sole become deadened from the abuse) then sure the horse will eventually move sound won't they?

I learneded a few new farrier terms though! Like flange, and flangy and sole-a plane!

Yup, he convinced me for sure- it definitely is the SHOE that cures what ails the horse- not the person applying it! uh huh! :rolleyes:

OH, just slap it on - then let's go get a beer! :eek:
Regards,
Kim

Those who only consider cost, do NOT consider the cost to the horse!

The more we know, the more we know we need to know more! Ya know?
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RE:Cytec 11 Nov 2005 15:02 #11

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cowboy_bc wrote:
Hi all,

"Cytek is not a rim shoeing system, it is a sole shoe."

"Is there a problem with modern day rim shoeing?
Well the following link is that of the U.S Governments statistics on lame
horses, sadly it doesn't include corrective shod horses, if it were the
stats would of course be even higher!"

Maybe the site was built by a former propaganda chief to Frau Strasser or the like cuz it has that same sort of misinformation ring to it. Anyway they are simply trying to befuddle horse owners into thinking it's a great thing as most farrier wouldn't buy into it.

Kevin
The intersting thing is that no where in the study does it state that shoeing of any kind was a cause for laminess. The study also does take into account those horses that were shod with corrective shoes. In fact it even had status about on what percent of the horses were in corrective shoes for the problem.

Gary
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RE:Cytec 11 Nov 2005 23:53 #12

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Does the shoe on the homepage look like aluminum? If so, he probably should have been able to shape that shoe but didn't bother. Hideous.
Anyway ,as to the comment on the site about the heels showing marks from expansion, I don't like to see those marks either.
Because most of the expansion in a properly functuioning foot occurs at the TOP, at the coronary band from the widest poart back to the bulbs, as the frog and DC loads and sporeads the footupward and outward. Relatively little outward movement is in the bottom of the heels ina healthy foot. So if the foot is supported with short heels and frog contact and expanding more at the TOP like it should, rather than mostly moving at the bottom, there will be no noticeable wear spots in the shoe despite the fact the heels of the foot are widening. I rarely ever see those wear marks in the shoesIremove anymore, even with feet that are gaining wider heels and healthier frogs with each subsequent shoeing. They are expanding al right, just not primarily at the bottom.
Most "expansion" shiny marks in shoe heels is actually from 'too long' heels running *inward* on loading, not outward. And if the wear spots, are deep, the horse's heels are grossly overloaded.
Rarely are those marks from healthy, proper foot expansion.
Patty
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RE:Cytec 18 Nov 2005 03:18 #13

Well its envoronmentaly friendly!!!

No hot fitting !!!

No Smoke!!!!

No Hole in the Ozone!!!!!!!!!!!


Equals ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,..... Lots of lame horses



Sorry British humor !!!!
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RE:Cytec 18 Nov 2005 12:51 #14

0boysid,
British humor or not, that was funny... (could it really be called British humor, then?) It was also true!
Jason
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RE:Cytec 10 Apr 2006 14:09 #15

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Hi guys! Just had to respond from over the pond to your postings re.cytek. It's been going here for about 8 years now and I have to say it's been met with the same kind or reaction as you boys in general. If US farriers are anything like most of them over here they'll be very suspicious if not downright hostile to it to start. Just to give you another perspective - there's a group of really skilled cytek farriers over here who are doing amazing - and I mean amazing - work with them. It'll probably take a long time for the old dinosaurs over here to cotton on which is why there's more people wanting cytek than there are farriers doing it but if you've all got any sense you'll take a long hard look.
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