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New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 01:09 #1

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Not long ago I was drinking coffee with one of my oldest farrier friends, Bob Benson CJF. The Kerk representantive was asking Bob about some new prototype shoe he had with him. After listening for a while, I said to the guy ,that I made some mod to the heel of nearly every shoe I put on, and asked him why they did'nt make a shoe, that among other things, swelled at the heels in width. He left and came back with this shoe. I think Kerk sells it as a Huffmeister. It has a D on the heel because it was made exclusively for the German Market as that is what they had asked for. Bob and I cleaned Him out and been nailing them on all week. I Love them, a great full toe, shape and nail holes. I like to fit some full and have enough steel to squeak my stud holes a little inboard. Has anyone else used these shoes or even heard of them. Maybe I have been living under a rock. But it is a great example of, ask and you shall receive.
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 01:48 #2

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Jim, that is a nice looking shoe, and nicely fitted as well. One thing I would do differently is move the stud holes back towards the heels a little, because it looks to me as though a rocking snap placement might happen where they are now. Not good for the splints, especially on hard ground. Just an observation.
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 03:43 #3

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John Emsley wrote:
Jim, that is a nice looking shoe, and nicely fitted as well. One thing I would do differently is move the stud holes back towards the heels a little, because it looks to me as though a rocking snap placement might happen where they are now. Not good for the splints, especially on hard ground. Just an observation.
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He probably just used the wrong bit for the rivits. :eek::D

I've never heard of them either Jim. They look pretty spiffy though I tell you what.
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 03:52 #4

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I pulled some of those off a horse that just arrived from PA the other day. I really liked them and wondered what they were, now I know.
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 07:14 #5

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Hello Jim. That is what they call a Meistereisen over here in Germany. Not a bad shoe. We can get 'em in fronts with toe clip and quarter clips, hinds quarter clipped. Don't think they come unclipped but I could be wrong. Whenever I dont want or need clips I just grind them off. Here is the website www.meisterhufeisen.de Rob Renirie from Holland did a tour shoeing horses with them last year. All in all not bad.



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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 12:58 #6

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John Emsley wrote:
One thing I would do differently is move the stud holes back towards the heels a little,
John,
Perhaps you could expand on where you place stud holes and why for various disciplines.
I feel that much further back on jumpers and event horses and you risk having the horse snap off a long stud if it overreaches.
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 13:41 #7

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John Emsley wrote:
Jim, that is a nice looking shoe, and nicely fitted as well. One thing I would do differently is move the stud holes back towards the heels a little, because it looks to me as though a rocking snap placement might happen where they are now. Not good for the splints, especially on hard ground. Just an observation.
regards, John

John, we had a discussion a while ago about why we place our studs more forward of the heels. Mostly to avoid any immediate breaking action as the heels come in for a landing. While looking at my picture I can see how those stud holes appear a little far forward as related to hoof structure, but mine are usually located not far off the end of the fuller. Any Pat Cullen sightings up there in the great north?
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 13:47 #8

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Perhaps you could expand on where you place stud holes and why for various disciplines.
I feel that much further back on jumpers and event horses and you risk having the horse snap off a long stud if it overreaches.

Jay,
My preference is where the size number is stamped and a little to the inside rather than to the outside of the branch. The reasoning is that this gives a more stable placing and avoids caulking in most horses. I rarely use anything larger than OO caulks, sweat or tapped, and give the owners the option of using larger ones if they choose on the tapped shoes. Have heard of caulks shearing but have never had it happen on any I have installed :eek: so really can't speak about that. Have to go with what works for me as do you.
All the best and HAPPY EASTER.
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 20:57 #9

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horseshoe1 wrote:
John, we had a discussion a while ago about why we place our studs more forward of the heels. Mostly to avoid any immediate breaking action as the heels come in for a landing.

I've thought a lot about how caulks and studs effect how the foot engages the ground on landing, but never thought about moving them forward. Learn something new everyday eh?!
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RE:New Shoe for me 12 Apr 2009 22:22 #10

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horseshoe 1 wrote:
John, we had a discussion a while ago about why we place our studs more forward of the heels. Mostly to avoid any immediate breaking action as the heels come in for a landing. While looking at my picture I can see how those stud holes appear a little far forward as related to hoof structure, but mine are usually located not far off the end of the fuller. Any Pat Cullen sightings up there in the great north?

I can't remember the discussion but as mentioned, I don't use larger than OO most of the time, plus I rocker 95% of the shoes I install. This gives them a softer break over and hopefully most of the footing has a cushion and not hard packed clay or rock :eek: that jars them to an immediate halt.
Haven't seen Pat for a couple of years, and seeing as how I didn't recognize him then, maybe I wouldn't now. :o
John
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