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TOPIC: Draft Stocks!?

RE:Draft Stocks!? 06 Mar 2009 02:43 #16

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Bruce, I am sure I do not have near the amount of experience as you working in the stocks. When reading this I thought of the time I got an unruly perch turned and stuck sideways in a pair of stocks, and once when someone was trying to winch a crazed Belgian stallion into the stocks and he flipped them over on himself. I never got hurt but they would have made some priceless videos on youtube. All for what? Probably didn't make enough money trimming them to fill up the gas tank. I know more now, and one of the things I do if I find myself working with stocks is to offer no help to the owner. If they are not capable of safely handling the horse and getting them in the stocks by themselves it is a good indication the horse isn't safe either way. And if there is a problem they probably won't be able to help you out, leaving you entirely responsible for the situation. No thanks.
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 06 Mar 2009 12:51 #17

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Hay Hossboss, So what did you decide. Are we going to see a video ? I have worked on enough Drafts to give them leeway. Now I refer them to the likes of Bruce M. or someone younger who knows the "system", Mark Schneider.
Went with Mark S. to Albany N,Y. area to trim a rescue draft mare who supposedly had Lamineaitis . and was real long Real Bad . Mark picked me up in a Snow/ice/rain storm. took us 2 hours to get there by GPS ( it took us all over the place ) Met the horse who was also blind in her near side eye Met 2 Lady Vets who got the the mare tranqed and mark got her trimmed. It was still a fiasco It took us 2 hours to go home The mares hooves weren't even long . The rads weren't bad either,
The horse owner who rescued her was afraid of her. the barn owner was too. and I'm sure that the farriers gave her a wide berth also. I know Mark charged her a hefty trip charge and got paid well for the trim and we didn't have anything else going on that day............. Stay Safe
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 06 Mar 2009 12:54 #18

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horseshoe1 wrote:
Bruce, I am sure I do not have near the amount of experience as you working in the stocks. When reading this I thought of the time I got an unruly perch turned and stuck sideways in a pair of stocks, and once when someone was trying to winch a crazed Belgian stallion into the stocks and he flipped them over on himself. I never got hurt but they would have made some priceless videos on youtube. All for what? Probably didn't make enough money trimming them to fill up the gas tank. I know more now, and one of the things I do if I find myself working with stocks is to offer no help to the owner. If they are not capable of safely handling the horse and getting them in the stocks by themselves it is a good indication the horse isn't safe either way. And if there is a problem they probably won't be able to help you out, leaving you entirely responsible for the situation. No thanks.

Yes Jim I'd given a eye tooth to see that perch sideways. What a picture that would have been. How's the skiing.!!!!! Ken
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 06 Mar 2009 22:20 #19

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Ken Norman wrote:
Yes Jim I'd given a eye tooth to see that perch sideways. What a picture that would have been. How's the skiing.!!!!! Ken

Yeah Ken, it was a total Fiasco. It got even worse when the owner went after the horse with a crowbar to "set him straight". I was'nt smart enough to walk away and spent the better part of the day shoeing him. It was down in Pownal. Skiing is awsome but will take a down turn with the 50 degree weather coming. I ski in a big charity race in two weeks and then done for the year. Maybe get to a hammer-in after that.
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 07 Mar 2009 00:06 #20

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I remember the first time I worked a belgian in stocks years back.
The stocks were outside and not on level ground.
18 hand gelding who wasn't happy being in the stocks to begin with.
He jerked back once to many times and flipped the stocks over backwards and ended up laying on its side. Horse and all.
The draft was laying quietly and the owner goes to get a chain saw to cut him out. :eek:

I said Whoa !!!!! lets get some wrenches and take it apart. he is being quiet lets do this first.
We got the stocks apart I gave the draft a boot to the belly and upo he came.

Let me tell you that draft from that very day on stood for trimming and shoeing like a perfect gentleman. Never had to do anything to him after that.

TRUE STORY......

I have seen folks release the tail chain before releasing the halter chains and watch the draft pull the stocks over on them. Very scary to say the least.

After todays 47 degree's Jim i wonder if you will be able to ski anywhere in two weeks. I just came home from Stratford/Sharon area.
trimmed a perch and a belgian.

my 2 cents worth ;)
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 00:51 #21

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I went and hung out with Steve yesterday and we did 2 clydes in his stocks.... NOT something I wanna do on a regular basis. :eek:

It's definately not the "easy way out" :o
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 01:11 #22

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Bruce you know horses hate to hit the ground! It usually knocks the breath out of them and they have trained themselves. I have known a few farriers in the past that would put soapy water on the concrete floors so that horses had to think about standing and stopped fighting.
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 01:42 #23

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What did you do to Joey ?

He sounds like he would prefer not to shoe in stocks or was it maybe working on the big guy's ?

I'll bet a silver dollar you both had a really good time though !!!!

Joey, I'll tell you a secret...... (I don't care to shoe tea cup footed quarter horses or thin walled thorobreds.)

Stocks will really give you a pain in your lower back literally !!!
I had one customer who built his stocks up off the ground so I didn't have to bend over so much. Was kinda nice but still not truly comfortable.

I know Gary, It is exactly why when a horse is layed down and sat on he most often will come up with a much better attitude. ;)

If it is done correctly no one gets hurt or abused.

my 2 cents worth ;)
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 13:43 #24

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We had a blast ! LOL. We got them both done....and I GUARANTEE they would not have been done without stocks !

Joey did some fine forge work, taught me a few things. We did a rocker toe on one of the drafts, and set the shoe back on the other( I'm still trying to get him "right" from his over-scotch feet he came with).

Bruce...my stocks are the ones that came on a big 12" oak base, so you don't have to bend over as much.....but still, nailing hinds while upside down is a ***** (as Joey found out:p)

Big thanks to Joey...he can come and shoe drafts with me anytime !!!

Steve
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 14:08 #25

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No problemo Steve, I was happy to come.

Bruce, my point was more than I'd much rather work with them on the ground. I was considering building a pair of stocks, but had never worked in them before. Now that I have, I don't want to build them. :D That and Steve is close enough for me to refer the crazy's to him... (you're welcome Steve, lol)
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 14:12 #26

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Joey Aczon wrote:
That and Steve is close enough for me to refer the crazy's to him... (you're welcome Steve, lol)

What a pal :p LOL

Steve
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 09 Mar 2009 21:54 #27

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I still think we should form a drafthorse shoers association.

Share info/learn from each other/ put on clinics etc.....

Anyone interestested ? Steve Gary Joey anyone else ??? Erin ?

I am experienced as I formed the Vermont Farriers Association and was the first President....

my 2 cents worth ;)
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 10 Mar 2009 00:20 #28

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I dunno Bruce, I certainly don't mind working on the big boys, but I've only got 2 on the book and one of them is mine. I'm not against it, but I'm certainly no "draft farrier".
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 10 Mar 2009 02:08 #29

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Bruce, I would love to join your group, but my heavies are retired at this point.:( Now if you want to really tackle some problem horses, come play with me and we will shoe Canchasers! On second thought, who needs an Assn with all them barrelracers telling ya how to shoe their horses!:eek::cool:
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RE:Draft Stocks!? 10 Mar 2009 02:14 #30

Bruce, i'll get into that draft shoeing association!

i'm still young and crazy... and under the coast guard insurance!

i also privlaged to work oo well trained drafts.... give me a break its all i know.

let it be known that i am a beginner: I rode with a shoer that worked on a shire cross. He asked me as we left the farm... what size nails would you use and do different? I said a 10 and set the shoe back about a half inch.
he used a 6 and nailed into what I saw as flair. Drafts are different.
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