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TOPIC: Fish Mouth/ Grand Prix

RE:Fish Mouth/ Grand Prix 14 Jan 2009 13:59 #16

BPethick wrote:
I think you mean "Hayden Price"?

Thats the guy thanks. :D

I should also add that you would be a good one to talk to about gate analysis and ground reaction forces. We need a good book shoes, conformation and application. I can afford a good book vs. the cost and time on gate analysis software. :)
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RE:Fish Mouth/ Grand Prix 14 Jan 2009 22:45 #17

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Phil Armitage wrote:
You also have to factor in the thickness of the shoe. I can see where reshapeing the branch would offer support, but not as much in my opinion as increasing the width of the material. Width and thickness are part of the equation. I am glad you brought up breakover in this discussion. I also think the width of the shoe in the toe has the same effect as the width of material in the heels. Ground reaction forces, width and depth of the shoe and fit effect the mechanics of a horse.

Take a broad toe with increased width in material, you now have a toe weighted shoe that offers more float when it impacts the ground. This may be what you want depending on the situation with the horse, however it could also exasperate another problem.

Reduceing the width of material is also another tool, when you are attempting to figure out a package.

I do not think this is simple at all. May I suggest running this by someone like Hayden Price who has looked at a variaty of shoes with gate analysis. I am still learning ground reaction forces and conformation.

I'm confused with respect to the comment regarding a broad toe. How does widening the toe of a shoe increase the weight ? i.e. make it a toe weighted shoe.
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RE:Fish Mouth/ Grand Prix 15 Jan 2009 01:05 #18

Did"nt "carl Hagen" right some inane book about nothing called Dyametrix? Or was that Carl Sagen?:rolleyes:lol
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RE:Fish Mouth/ Grand Prix 28 Jan 2009 13:01 #19

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Ronald Aalders wrote:
Have a look at the picture and try and find the COA here too. With a few anatomical differences (the width of the joint for one) that COA is the natural/normal middle of support for LM purposes also.


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Ron,

Points of clarification (adding to the confusion?). COA=Middle of Support in regards to ground forces. COA is the center of a cantilevered axle in both A/P and M/L directions of articulation. Ground forces converge upon and are transmitted to the COA through a central point of "weight bearing" in the center of mass of P3.

Extra credit: What is the common name for the central point of weight bearing in the center of mass of P3?
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RE:Fish Mouth/ Grand Prix 28 Jan 2009 13:09 #20

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Jason Maki wrote:
Did"nt "carl Hagen" right some inane book about nothing called Dyametrix? Or was that Carl Sagen?:rolleyes:lol
Maki, you're such a geek. Coming from me, that's a compliment and not an insinuation that you're also a "liberal." :D
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