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TOPIC: Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads?

Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 05 Jan 2009 22:29 #1

Hi all, I went to shoeing school this last summer and we didn't really cover winter shoeing that much. I have seen some posts and threads about snow pads and was wondering if someone would be able to give me a general overview of the different types of "snow pads". Maybe names, what they do and how they are supposed to work? I am pretty familiar with studs and borium and the like but I have only put on your basic flat plastic pads. I really appreciate the help and info! :)
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 08 Jan 2009 02:10 #2

To elaborate a little on my post I was basically wondering what the advantages are between the rim/tube pads and the b a l l pads are. I know what they do but I was wondering if one is more effective than the other?
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 09 Jan 2009 16:15 #3

Well, I'm not an expert in anything, but I have put a few snowball pads on. Personally I like the Mustad rim pads. They're rubber and seem to "give". Someone makes a more plastic one, can't remember the brand, but I didn't like them as much. I don't care for the flat plastic pads with the ball on them, but some people like them. I guess I would just rather keep the sole open. I have heard on the rim pads some people having problems with stuff getting into the tube and freezing. That will give them a pretty nasty sole bruise; but I've never had this problem. Mustad also makes them in front and hind patterns, that really helps. Make sure you cut the pad like a good heel check, so it follows the frog line. There are some good pics on here somewhere. Hope this helps
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 10 Jan 2009 15:47 #4

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Here in Upstate New York, just below Syracuse, we know a little about snow. At times snow fall is measured by the foot just north of here, but we get enough that a lot of snow pads are used here. I would say the Mustad No Sno is used predominantly by myself and other shoers that I know. We like this rim style snow pad for several reasons. At times we get thaws between blizzards which turns paddock areas in seas of mud and slush. A flat or bubble pad will then collect alot of debris under it no matter how well you pack it. During the winter, we might not see these horses for 8 week or more, which could mean several cycles of snow and thaw. Things get really rotten under a full pad. Having the bottom of the hoof open eliminates that problem.
The Mustad No Sno us easy to use and holds up throughout the winter and can sometimes be saved and used again next year so it is cost effective. It comes in fronts and hinds, and sizes that will fit a 00 right up to a small draft.
My advice is to rivet the heels and one rivet in the toe of larger feet.

Hope this helps,

Steve Kraus, CJF
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 10 Jan 2009 17:16 #5

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There are two basic kinds of show pads. One has a hollow rim, that flexes, the other a ball "popper". the ball part goes toward the ground. Apply them as you would any full or rim pad. If you use the ball popper type,use some sole pack underneath but do not overfill the foot .Leave some space so the ball can smash and pop back out with each step.
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 10 Jan 2009 17:29 #6

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Patty,

I don't know what kind of 'bubble' pads you are using, but none of the ones I use have the ability to have a true popper action.
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 10 Jan 2009 20:40 #7

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Well I have always assumed that the bubble moves....otherwise is it just there for decoration? :p
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 10 Jan 2009 21:40 #8

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I believe that the way a "popper" pad work is to provide a higher point/surface to enhance maximum flex of the entire pad, it is the movement of the rubber or plastic tha helps to keep the snow and or ice from building up.Years ago I used to fill the round type bubble pads with silicone to keep them from crushing, not that they collapsed often nor did the collapse effect how they worked but I was darn near imposable to explain to an owner that it would not effect the working of the pad. Those of you who remember the old Fruin ,rubber/jute pads will remember that its bubble was solid.

The rim type pads, weather Mustad, Cemtec,Castle,etc work basically on the same principal for shedding snow and that is movement of the plastic to keep the snow from sticking.

Which type to use is up to the individual ,horse, owner ,farrier and sometimes vet. I say this because I have used quite a few of all the styles andt the is a place for them all. I remember when the rim type became more affordale and one vet in this area blamed the popper pads for everything. I got called to install rim types on a horse that had poppers but got thrush. The pads got blamed ,and the vet insisted on rim type pads. I tried to explain that that might not be the best choice given the way and where i was told that the horse was used. We wound up putting on the rims, a couple of weeks later I was called to meet up with the vet. The temperature had dropped considerably , the horses were kept in for a couple of days, when they were finally let out into the pasture the ground was frozen very unevenly and some "spikes" of mud protruded pretty high. This horse came barreling out driving his feet hard, and drove a spike of mud thru his hoof. Bubble pads probably would have deflected the spike.

I use venice terps and hoof phelt to pack under pads, yea some dirt gets in but the dirt never gets to the hoof because of the Hoof Phelt and I don't think anything can incubate in venice terps.

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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 10 Jan 2009 22:11 #9

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Attached is a shot of Mustad No Sno's ready to nail on.

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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 11 Jan 2009 14:32 #10

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Steve Kraus is 100 % on the mark;

Here in Upstate New York, just below Syracuse, we know a little about snow. At times snow fall is measured by the foot just north of here, but we get enough that a lot of snow pads are used here. I would say the Mustad No Sno is used predominantly by myself and other shoers that I know. We like this rim style snow pad for several reasons. At times we get thaws between blizzards which turns paddock areas in seas of mud and slush. A flat or bubble pad will then collect alot of debris under it no matter how well you pack it. During the winter, we might not see these horses for 8 week or more, which could mean several cycles of snow and thaw. Things get really rotten under a full pad. Having the bottom of the hoof open eliminates that problem.
The Mustad No Sno us easy to use and holds up throughout the winter and can sometimes be saved and used again next year so it is cost effective. It comes in fronts and hinds, and sizes that will fit a 00 right up to a small draft.
My advice is to rivet the heels and one rivet in the toe of larger feet


I pretty much use the pencil rim pads all the time, EXCEPT when I have a heavy draft that needs full protection on the front.
Then I will use a plastic bubble full pad.

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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 11 Jan 2009 14:51 #11

I use the castle full bubble pads and fill underneath with the castle brand hoofprints silicone and I never have a problem with mud or other debris infiltrating under the pad. I prefer a full pad as with the extremes of weather we get here in new england it is not uncommon to have foot prints in the mud freeze into frozen spikes.

After filling the entire area under the pad including the bubble I use a length of duct tape around the back of the heels and shoe to prevent the silicone from leaking out while it sets up. I let the owner know they can remove the duct tape the next day.

For a faster set (at a higher material cost) the equithane purple 2 part silicone will set in a few minutes rather than the few hours that the hoofprints silicone takes.
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 11 Jan 2009 22:12 #12

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The simple answer is that no one method works for all horses, weather situations, geographic areas, etc. It is always good be aware of all the options and be equipped to do produce what ever is needed. We have moved away from the bubble pads packed with silicone especially with thoroughbred type horses due to sole pressure problems.

Steve Kraus, CJF
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 13 Jan 2009 12:06 #13

While on the subject of winter pads, what do yall use to cut them to shape, I have been using a pocket knife or an old double edged knife, but almost sliced my thumb the other day the bad was so stiff from the cold.
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 13 Jan 2009 12:41 #14

I do have a pad cutter for full pads but I have found that my goat hoof trimmers work really well for the softer plastic rim pads.
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RE:Winter Shoeing and Snow Pads? 13 Jan 2009 17:27 #15

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I cut all my pads with a coping saw. Place the shoe in the vise right side up, so the pad is on the bottom and the blade is placed in the saw with the teeth cutting on the upstroke. The blades will not break after you get the feel of it. Be gentle don't force the blade through the material , just let it do the work. And if you pull the loose cut piece of the pad away from the rest with one hand as you cut it , it goes really easy.
You can also use a power skill saw with a fine blade,the same way.
Patty Stiller CNBF,CLS
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