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sigafoose series 1 15 Nov 2008 18:11 #1

  • brian robertson
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I glued up 2 pr of these, on 2 tb's, thursday. Both horses are used VERY HARD as fox hunters over rough ground, hunting and hound exercising 5 days a week. Both with shelly hooves with 3-4 rows of nail holes on each foot. With both horses most of the stratum externum is gone and only 2-3 mm of stratum medium left after debridement. The jobs went not too bad and horses are very happy, this morning, with their new feet.

The questions I have are...
when it comes time to reshoe these guys, what is the likelyhood of pulling off any more additional wall when removing the cuff?
could I leave the first cuff in place and glue the next one over it, thereby building a more normal wall thickness?
how well will the original cuff hold nails/clinches?
any remedies for the glue headache? I left my paint respirator on the bench at home, a hour away; won't do that again.
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RE:sigafoose series 1 15 Nov 2008 21:32 #2

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If you use a razor knife and just cut the shoe off by cutting the blue bond you can rasp off the glue along with the cuffs, and not risk any damage by pulling it.
I have glued over remnants of the glue and the cuffs and it works fine. I glue on some over hoof repairs. I have also cut off the alum shoe and nailed up a steel shoe through the cuffs if I felt they would help keep things together. I put on some recently with adhere. The fast set makes it a little stressful but I have a system to overcome it and it does not not smell at all. I never thought the Equilox smelled that bad. But the adhere jobs were the best most durable jobs I had ever done.
Jim Sweeney

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RE:sigafoose series 1 15 Nov 2008 21:53 #3

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How many weeks do you get whe using adhere ?
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RE:sigafoose series 1 16 Nov 2008 01:40 #4

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The Horses were on six week schedules and at the end of that time the shoe was set as good as the day it was put on with no signs of weakening. I always get a little edge lifting at six weeks with equilox. They were big warmbloods with full turn out and light riding. The only way I find to make it easy was to set the shoe with two heel nails which I pulled later and finished the glue and wrap process on the hoof stand. For me the adhere just sets to fast to do it the conventional method.
Jim Sweeney

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RE:sigafoose series 1 16 Nov 2008 04:38 #5

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Brian,
After you separate the shoe from the cuff with a utility knife, you can usually grab a corner of the cuff on one side and peel in off all the way around the foot. I use my pulloffs. It is designed to release and it leaves a white residue on the hoof wall..... it pulls no hoof off with it.

I don't think that I would glue over the old cuff.......even cleaned up real good, your bond strength would still be dependent on an old 6 week cuff to hoof glue joint.

I would suggest sending Pat Reilly a note and ask his opinion about that....he has used hundreds if not thousands of these shoes. I, personally have not reglued over an old cuff.

Dave


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RE:sigafoose series 1 16 Nov 2008 14:21 #6

Brian I did not take the time to read the replys you have already received. Here is my experience with the same type of issues and what I learned.

When you go back to pull the shoes off it will appear to be doing more damage to the horn and it may look like the hoof wall is crumbling away. Most of this is dry glue. I clean the foot up real good and glue another pair on. The cuff and glue adds a lot of structural strength to the hoof capsule. I did a young paint with very thin hoof walls, that we suspect had an episode of laminitis, could see the capsule distortion and dropped sole. Applied just the series one for three shoeing and now have nailed on shoes. Never applied any frog support. I think the additional support to the hoof capsule prevented more distortion and sinking, helped with the mechanical capsular distortion.

So anyways, you may need to shoe these guys a few times with the series I and then go from their. I do not glue over or nail up on the old cuff. Better to remove it, clean it up good and start new.

Good luck.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:sigafoose series 1 17 Nov 2008 02:53 #7

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As the guys said, you dont want to glue over the cuff. It will be pretty nasty in 6 weeks. To take the shoes off I use a razor knife to cut the shoe from the cuff about 90% leaving one heel still connected to the cuff. Then I flip the shoe around so that the branch with the heel still attached to the cuff is againt the wall (cuff) then I lever it against the wall and the cuff comes right off around the shoe. its a lot easier and faster than screwing around with the shoe pullers. Hope I explained it well. I've never had wall come off. There is always a layer of glue left on the hoof.

-josh
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