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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 00:58 #16

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arkfarrier wrote:
Well, this is all very interesting! Being in Canada, I have never seen 'double nail' pads, since stacks on horses is illegal up here.

Doesn't 4, 3 deg wedge pads constitute a "stack"? Are you going to break the law?
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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 01:04 #17

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calshoer wrote:
Ronald .....where do you get those nails? I have to use regular nails when I put a pad to the foot, and try to set the heads in or countersink the holes, which if you set them too far the pad may pull off, and if you dont set them far enough you get this: (BTW this was not my shoeing)

I use a router (a dremel with the router attachment) and "crease" the pads. You still have to get the depth right but once you get it set, it's locked in. The other obvious advantage is that you can use your crease puller to get the thing off.
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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 03:58 #18

Mike Ferrara wrote:
Doesn't 4, 3 deg wedge pads constitute a "stack"? Are you going to break the law?

I'm going to assume that for 'therapeutic reasons', it would be OK? But hey...don't tell anyone....just in case!:eek:
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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 04:02 #19

Mike Ferrara wrote:
I use a router (a dremel with the router attachment) and "crease" the pads. You still have to get the depth right but once you get it set, it's locked in. The other obvious advantage is that you can use your crease puller to get the thing off.

OK, here's a sillly question (just because I've never done this before). If you are making holes or creases for the nails in the pads.....since the pads are much thinner near the toe area and where one would be nailing, how do you accomodate so that you can nail the pad with enough 'meat' to hold it at the toe nail, while you 'may' not be able to reach at the quarter nails? Is it just an experimentation process? ie...how many pads should I bring to 'screw up' in the process!
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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 04:22 #20

arkfarrier wrote:
OK, here's a sillly question (just because I've never done this before). If you are making holes or creases for the nails in the pads.....since the pads are much thinner near the toe area and where one would be nailing, how do you accomodate so that you can nail the pad with enough 'meat' to hold it at the toe nail, while you 'may' not be able to reach at the quarter nails? Is it just an experimentation process? ie...how many pads should I bring to 'screw up' in the process!
your question is not silly nail the first two then use screws on the last two useing a creaser is so that your nail heads don't rise the next pad . and pre drilling so your nail goese were you want to come out on the hoof . hope this helped bryan e
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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 12:25 #21

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arkfarrier wrote:
OK, here's a sillly question (just because I've never done this before). If you are making holes or creases for the nails in the pads.....since the pads are much thinner near the toe area and where one would be nailing, how do you accomodate so that you can nail the pad with enough 'meat' to hold it at the toe nail, while you 'may' not be able to reach at the quarter nails? Is it just an experimentation process? ie...how many pads should I bring to 'screw up' in the process!

If I were putting on a stack of wedges and I needed to get nails where the pad stack were too thick for the nail size that I wanted to use, shoe fit I wanted ect, I would only double nail there. The pads should be thin enough at the toe that straight nailing shouldn't be a problem. Depending on the foot and how you need to fit the shoe and how the shoe is punched, you might be able to just straight nail the whole thing...open your nail holes or punch new holes course enough to occomodate the pads and use a long neough nail.

So, I'd have a pad creased and nailed to the foot with one or two of the back nailes on each side. Then I would nail on the rest of the package nailing all the way through at the toe and nailing to the first pad toward the heel if I need those nails.

Double nailing is going to be a pain if you've never done it and don't have a process. I'll try to give a quick outline of how I do it.

1, I fit the shoe.
2, I build the pad stack from the shoe up. All but the double nail pad is rivited to the shoe. I use screws to mount the shoe and rivited pads to the double nail pad.
3, From the shoe side) I predrill the nail holes to exit the double nail pad (in this case, I'd straight nail what I could).
4, I take the package to the foot, scribe the foot on the double nail pad and then sketch on the DN pad where I want the nails to enter the foot (white line sort of)

5, I grind the stack almost to the foot scribe line on the DN pad (just saves rasping later)

6, I disassemble the package by removing the screws that I mentioned in step 2.

7, From the foot side, I drill toe and heel nail holes in the double nail pad at the angle I want.
8, on the shoe side of the double nail pad, I crease from toe to heel nail making sure that the crease doesn't interfere with the holes that were drilled from the shoe into the DN pad.

9, Nail the DN to the foot. You can drive some nails into your scribe line from the foot side to temporarily act as clips to help locate/position the pad.

10, attach the shoe and other pads to the DN using the screws. You don't have to do this but it does a good job of holding everything where you wanted while you get it nailed.

11, Finish nailing with nails exiting the DN pad.

I hope that is clear enough. Obviously there are a few steps that you can skip if you trust your eye.

A couple of other notes...
I prefer to have leather against the foot and when I DN a package on a working horse I almost always use bands.
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RE:wedge pad degrees... 13 Nov 2008 13:08 #22

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You know Mike, you can really tell when someone knows what they're doing. Straight nailing in the toe is a good idea that I wouldn't have thought of until fumbling for a while.

Then again I would've gone for shoe with the steel plates.
Joey Aczon

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