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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 15:58 #46

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The only horses that I practice "natural horsemanship" with are my own horses. I treat my horses according to the rules established by the "order of the herd." Enter "my space" uninvited and you will get kicked or bitten or struck with whatever instrument happens to be in my hand at the time. Failure to yield your space to mine when I approach brings about the same action, swift and sure without hesitation. Approach my "hay pile" with your head lowered and both eyes on me waiting for permission - or suffer the consequences of failure to show proper respect to the herd leader.

This kind of leadership works well in my "herd." However, I cannot apply "natural herd discipline" to other people's horses. If I did I would loose a lot of customers. :)
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 16:10 #47

Here is another good article, similar to what Tom S. is talking about. Makes sense, however I would prefer to spend the time with ground work. Horses pull back for various reasons, why not figure out what the problem is and work on it. Desensitizing is a way of eliminating phobia in a positive way. Study human phycoligy on how people can overcome phobias by desensitizing. A horses phobia and instinct is multiplied by much more than our phobias, desensitizing and positive reinforcement works. Reduce the phobias before attempting to tie a horse make much more sense. I suppose this would ruin the career of a good bronc. :) Feel for you farriers that trim and shoe broncs, however that is your choice. Good luck and stay safe.

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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 16:20 #48

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The only horses that I practice "natural horsemanship" with are my own horses. I treat my horses according to the rules established by the "order of the herd." Enter "my space" uninvited and you will get kicked or bitten or struck with whatever instrument happens to be in my hand at the time. Failure to yield your space to mine when I approach brings about the same action, swift and sure without hesitation. Approach my "hay pile" with your head lowered and both eyes on me waiting for permission - or suffer the consequences of failure to show proper respect to the herd leader.

This kind of leadership works well in my "herd." However, I cannot apply "natural herd discipline" to other people's horses. If I did I would loose a lot of customers. :)

Not if you did it properly. If your interested in learning I recommend Clinton Anderson's series of videos. I have been applying his training method for over 5 years, it works very well. Over 20 years ago I had trouble with my 5 year old QH tried all kinds of reputable trainers and was only told to sell him he is dangerous. He was hobbled, we layed him down and no matter how dominateing the trainer was nothing worked. Finaly met up with a local woman who taught my wife and I how to think like a horse and properly troubleshoot his problem, we did and things got better and better. That horse taught me a lot. He went from a very dangerous horse to a great trail horse, tied, trailored, good for farrier and vet. I totaly trusted him any where. His name was Jessie, registered name Imaleojoe. Kept him till he died of old age. We have had several horses some great from the day we bought them and others not so great, however we knew how to figure out the problems and make it safe for the horse and rider.

Clinton's Round Penning Made easy is a great start. He goes over a lot of basics and it is easy to grasp. Round penning can be a very frustrateing experience, however Clinton breaks it down and teaches you what to look for and properly execute the mechanics and body posistions. Your body posistion and intention is critical when working with a horse. They read you like a book.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 17:10 #49

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Clinton's Round Penning Made easy is a great start. He goes over a lot of basics and it is easy to grasp. Round penning can be a very frustrateing experience, however Clinton breaks it down and teaches you what to look for and properly execute the mechanics and body posistions. Your body posistion and intention is critical when working with a horse. They read you like a book.
My horsemanship guru is Miss Blackburn 101 AQHA - grandaughter of Poco Bueno. She doesn't need a round pen, a lead rope, or any other tools to lead of "communicate." She does not "partner" with other horses, she dominates them and they do her bidding without question. I have turned her loose in a strange herd and watcher her take control of that herd in mere seconds without any challenge. I have also seen her put down a challenge to her authority, and it wasn't very "nice" the way she went about it. You ought to see HER work a horse in the round pen. Next to her, Clinton Anderson is just a book and video salesman.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 18:13 #50

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What in the world are "horseshoe kidneys"?

Ha! It's a congenital weirdness... a form of renal fusion, where the two kidneys hook up at the bottom and form a U shape. The doc that discovered it was one of my clients, and she thought it was hilarious. She had one of her staffers "doctor" the radiographs so they showed some nail holes and brought the radiographs to the barn.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 18:43 #51

Hmmm... I guess all the whisperers and their books and videos have their place, but it's been my observation over the years that "horse" ain't easy to learn, and the older you come to it, the less likely it is that you'll ever get it. Although I'm big on book learning and educational aspirations and endeavors, I've come to the conclusion that you've either got it or you don't, and if you have to think about it, you're too late.

Just as an aside and for Tom Stove-up's amusement:
The man that raised me was a horseman. He was in his twilight--late eighties, early nineties--when the whisperers were coming along. One day, he was riding with me, and he watched a guy work a colt in a round pen while I was shoeing. As we left, I asked him what he thought about the guru. His response... "Hell, I've ate more horses than that counterfeit ever rode."
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 23:17 #52

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She had one of her staffers "doctor" the radiographs so they showed some nail holes and brought the radiographs to the barn.
How can you be so sure they were doctored??????? :eek: :o :D
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 08 Oct 2006 00:31 #53

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Just as an aside and for Tom Stove-up's amusement:
The man that raised me was a horseman. He was in his twilight--late eighties, early nineties--when the whisperers were coming along. One day, he was riding with me, and he watched a guy work a colt in a round pen while I was shoeing. As we left, I asked him what he thought about the guru. His response... "Hell, I've ate more horses than that counterfeit ever rode."


Me'n him woulda got along.

I had the privilege of growing up in the midst of similar folks, many of whom didn't speak much English. They all knew a little something about a horse and none of 'em was too bashful about thumping on a little towheaded kid who was bad to let colts buck. :)

Damn, but I miss 'em!
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 08 Oct 2006 01:10 #54

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
Damn, but I miss 'em!
Were those folks called vaqueros or is my geography a little off?
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 08 Oct 2006 02:43 #55

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Were those folks called vaqueros or is my geography a little off?

Your geography is doing just fine, but they were more jinete than vaquero. :) Loosely translated, a jinete works with horses; a vaquero with cows.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 08 Oct 2006 04:18 #56

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You are catching on quite well to some of Mr.Tom's upbringing.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 17 Oct 2006 03:59 #57

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Here's my favourite, and quickest, way to teach a horse to tie. Rope halter, 12 ft lead rope, old truck inner tube. Bolt the inner tube to the wall at an appropriate height, tie the horse up to this. I prefer using a multi-loop slip knot, just in case, 1 pull of the loose end, horse is loose, I'm still in control. While he's tied, the more he backs up, the more pressure he gets. They learn quick that way. ;)
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