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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 06 Oct 2006 23:31 #31

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J.H. shoeing wrote:
I remember now.

Are you simple?

You obviously have never been held responsible for the actions of the horses you shoe that broke away from your hay string.

Come on down into the real world of horseshoeing where political correctness, sugar cubes, and carrots are not the norm. You'll learn to tie them with an anchor chain if nessasary.

Welcome to Texas !! I still have the privilage of shoeing a few of those "Pukes" that Mr. Stovall and yourself have talked about. I think some need a reality check every now and then. Not everything can be political correct all the time. The minute you start thinking ole Pretty boy is part human and has rights he will rob you of yours when he steps in the middle of a young child. Dead horse or clear conscience because you saved someones life. Pretty easy answer ain't it.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 00:11 #32

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I'm a "puke specialist", with scars, marks, and tattoos to prove it. I thought you moved to Oklahoma?
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 01:12 #33

J.H. shoeing wrote:
T.L.
I'm a "puke specialist", with scars, marks, and tattoos to prove it. I thought you moved to Oklahoma?

I look foward to meeting you Mr. Puke specialist during Jaye's clinic. You can tell me all about your horsy knowledge.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 01:14 #34

J.H. shoeing wrote:
I remember now.

Are you simple?

You obviously have never been held responsible for the actions of the horses you shoe that broke away from your hay string.

Come on down into the real world of horseshoeing where political correctness, sugar cubes, and carrots are not the norm. You'll learn to tie them with an anchor chain if nessasary.

Would you rather be held accountable for ThunderheadsonofFlicka or little Bobby Jr that ThunderheadsonofFlicka scared/hurt/maimed/killed?

Your right I have never been held responsible for causing an accident. Have you? Your attitude towards horses explains the high probability of it.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 01:17 #35

Hey Tom S. You don't like natural horsemenship or Natural Balance. Your stuck in the daddy did it that way mentality. Too bad you can't trust enough to truely experience the bond and true partnership of a horse. With your attitude towards horses no wonder you took up welding and sign makeing. I would give it to if I had to fight and try to out muscle horses everyday.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 01:42 #36

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J.H. shoeing wrote:
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I'm a "puke specialist", with scars, marks, and tattoos to prove it. I thought you moved to Oklahoma?
No sir (well kinda) I moved from Alamogordo, NM to Ardmore, OK to Lubbock, TX. My wife wanted to Come home so here we are.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 01:46 #37

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Phil Armitage wrote:
I look foward to meeting you Mr. Puke specialist during Jaye's clinic. You can tell me all about your horsy knowledge.
What ?? Is Jaye coming to Texas?
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 02:55 #38

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Hey Tom S. You don't like natural horsemenship or Natural Balance.

I wouldn't know "natural" horsemanship (as opposed to "unnatural"?) if attacked me - and NB is based on a demonstrably flawed model when it comes to maximum biomechanical efficiency.

Your stuck in the daddy did it that way mentality.

I'm most assuredly stuck in the Archimedes/anatomy mode, but daddy didn't do it thataway.

Too bad you can't trust enough to truely experience the bond and true partnership of a horse.

LMAO! The performance of my dogging teams contributed substantially to my income for 16 years, but I never - as in not even once - "bonded" with my horses. I did my job, they did their job, we won a little something and somehow managed to stay in grits and groceries. How about you? Has your income ever been dependent on your horses' performance?

With your attitude towards horses no wonder you took up welding and sign makeing. I would give it to if I had to fight and try to out muscle horses everyday.

Nobody lasts in the trade who tries to "out muscle horses everyday" and I somehow managed to last a few years - but I appreciate your concern. If you're lucky, you may last half as long. Having served my time in the barrel, I'll certainly confess I don't mind not having to work as hard as I once did and to enjoying my Golden Years. I've never had a gate jump out of a jig, kick, bite, or strike; I get paid for doing artwork I used to get spanked for doing; youngsters do the heavy lifting, and farriers for whom I have a great deal of respect are kind enough to call me, "Sir."

Life ain't all bad.

In the unlikely event you someday remove your head from that portion of your anatomy on which the sun never shines, you may someday be fortunate enough to enjoy similar benefits. Then again, given your demonstrated recalcitrance, you may still be foolishly be attempting to defend the indefensible until you take up selling insurance. :)
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 03:17 #39

T.L. Buck wrote:
What ?? Is Jaye coming to Texas?

No, Jeff is comeing to NH.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 03:19 #40

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
Phil Armitage in gray

Hey Tom S. You don't like natural horsemenship or Natural Balance.

I wouldn't know "natural" horsemanship (as opposed to "unnatural"?) if attacked me - and NB is based on a demonstrably flawed model when it comes to maximum biomechanical efficiency.

Your stuck in the daddy did it that way mentality.

I'm most assuredly stuck in the Archimedes/anatomy mode, but daddy didn't do it thataway.

Too bad you can't trust enough to truely experience the bond and true partnership of a horse.

LMAO! The performance of my dogging teams contributed substantially to my income for 16 years, but I never - as in not even once - "bonded" with my horses. I did my job, they did their job, we won a little something and somehow managed to stay in grits and groceries. How about you? Has your income ever been dependent on your horses' performance?

With your attitude towards horses no wonder you took up welding and sign makeing. I would give it to if I had to fight and try to out muscle horses everyday.

Nobody lasts in the trade who tries to "out muscle horses everyday" and I somehow managed to last a few years - but I appreciate your concern. If you're lucky, you may last half as long. Having served my time in the barrel, I'll certainly confess I don't mind not having to work as hard as I once did and to enjoying my Golden Years. I've never had a gate jump out of a jig, kick, bite, or strike; I get paid for doing artwork I used to get spanked for doing; youngsters do the heavy lifting, and farriers for whom I have a great deal of respect are kind enough to call me, "Sir."

Life ain't all bad.

In the unlikely event you someday remove your head from that portion of your anatomy on which the sun never shines, you may someday be fortunate enough to enjoy similar benefits. Then again, given your demonstrated incalcitrance, you may still be foolishly be attempting to defend the indefensible until you take up selling insurance. :)

Tom if I ever get a chance to come to Katie Texas it would be pleasure to demonstrate join up.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 06:01 #41

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You have horsey knowledge. I on the other hand have something much different. If you need lessons in horsemanship watch another video or read another rag, I believe that is where your illusion of this craft comes from. You might go to a clinic for a few hours and watch someone else. I can see that your livelyhood has never been dependent on your horsemanship skills.

You advised me that you would not go to Atlanta to ride with Jaye Perry, would you come ride with me?. If you come make sure you bring your walking shoes and a roll of haystring. I have some in my book that obviously need some bonding, you can bond with them and do what ever kind of horsey stuff retired people from where your from do.

It is my goal to stay out of wrecks when possible but I have seen a few. Obviously a few more than you.

Yes, I am going to New Hampshire, I'll be the little skinny kid that all those mean horsey knowledgeable people will be picking on. I sure hope they tie me with hay string.

I bet you will make a jam up insurance man.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 06:14 #42

I've tied 'em hard and fast from Lubbock to Dalhart and from Texarkana to Fort Smith, but I have to admit that I occasionally practice the baling twine, breakaway approach.

I went down under a cross-tied horse a few years back, and he danced all over my spleen and kidneys*. Since then, I've kinda had the attitude that I'd rather see that SOB disappear rather than dance on me. So now--in certain environments--I will unhook the throatlatch snap, hook the cross-ties in the upper rings of the halter, and tie the cross-ties with twine... wouldn't ever do it at a show or in a busy barn, but I do it :)

*found out, as a result of the radiographs and mri's and such that followed this incident, that I have "horseshoe kidneys" -- ain't that ironic?
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 10:52 #43

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I've tied 'em hard and fast from Lubbock to Dalhart and from Texarkana to Fort Smith, but I have to admit that I occasionally practice the baling twine, breakaway approach.

Horses for courses.

I went down under a cross-tied horse a few years back, and he danced all over my spleen and kidneys*. Since then, I've kinda had the attitude that I'd rather see that SOB disappear rather than dance on me. So now--in certain environments--I will unhook the throatlatch snap, hook the cross-ties in the upper rings of the halter, and tie the cross-ties with twine... wouldn't ever do it at a show or in a busy barn, but I do it :)


As you astutely observe, in terms of placing the public at risk, the greater the number of folks around, the greater the probability of somebody's getting hurt if a horse gets loose. e.g., In the unlikely event somebody gets me under a horse these days, while the barn urchins are in school, if I know the horse and don't have a holder, I'll probably just throw the shank over the front of the stall and go about my business; but when school lets out, as always, it's hard and fast.

Horses for courses.

*found out, as a result of the radiographs and mri's and such that followed this incident, that I have "horseshoe kidneys" -- ain't that ironic?

What in the world are "horseshoe kidneys"?
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 14:46 #44

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I've tied 'em hard and fast from Lubbock to Dalhart and from Texarkana to Fort Smith, but I have to admit that I occasionally practice the baling twine, breakaway approach.

I went down under a cross-tied horse a few years back, and he danced all over my spleen and kidneys*. Since then, I've kinda had the attitude that I'd rather see that SOB disappear rather than dance on me. So now--in certain environments--I will unhook the throatlatch snap, hook the cross-ties in the upper rings of the halter, and tie the cross-ties with twine... wouldn't ever do it at a show or in a busy barn, but I do it :)

*found out, as a result of the radiographs and mri's and such that followed this incident, that I have "horseshoe kidneys" -- ain't that ironic?

That is what I am talking about, learned the hard way also. Ended up on my back while shoeing the hind of a little QH mare. She did a tap dance on both sides of my head luckly only stepped on my shoulder and I was OK. Bruised back, shoulder and ego. If I am working on a puke and the place is buisy and there is a risk of someone getting hurt tieing so they do not break is not an option. I will find a competent holder or drug them or do them another day. Safety first. Those nylon halters and ties do not break and if anchored properly will not come undone. No need to get horse or people hurt in my opinion.
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RE:Farmilo's Hoof-Line 07 Oct 2006 15:37 #45

Here is a great article to read and safe method.

http://www.downunderhorsemanship.com/articles/legs.html
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