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TOPIC: PLR and Centre Fit

RE:PLR and Centre Fit 19 Jun 2008 01:36 #31

Bruce Anderson wrote:
didn't you already post some videos with it?

That was with a little cheapy Kodak.

Bruce is it true the footing in your area is dryer? I have always found it intriqueing to hear a clinician from Colorado or Texas come to New England and explain what works for them. I assume veteran clinicians have considered enviroment. Maybe not. Thanks for contributeing to the forum.

Another assumption I have is farriers consider when to provide support and when to ease breakover. I see three different scenarios,

1. Sound horses, depending on conformation, conditioning, type of work and footing.

2. Injury, soft tissue or joints

3. Development of arthritis and classification of torn tissue.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 19 Jun 2008 01:45 #32

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I use a four pound hammer and a stall jack as I don't have room in my vet truck to carry an anvil and a forge.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 19 Jun 2008 01:54 #33

Bruce is it true the footing in your area is dryer? I have always found it intriqueing to hear a clinician from Colorado or Texas come to New England and explain what works for them.


Yes Phil, the footing in Florida is all sand,so with the drought conditions we have had, it has made for very hard brittle feet, very simular to feet found in the western states. if you don't mind if I ask, how much did the new camera set you back?
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 19 Jun 2008 02:19 #34

Bruce Anderson wrote:
Bruce is it true the footing in your area is dryer? I have always found it intriqueing to hear a clinician from Colorado or Texas come to New England and explain what works for them.


Yes Phil, the footing in Florida is all sand,so with the drought conditions we have had, it has made for very hard brittle feet, very simular to feet found in the western states. if you don't mind if I ask, how much did the new camera set you back?


Used Minolta Konica on E-bay 120.00 and 11.00 for shipping. If your looking for one, 4 mega pixels is still good quality. Look for a camera with a good lens and good optical zoom and USB connection to the computer. With new cameras with higher mega pixels coming out there are a lot of good used cameras up for auction on E-bay.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 19 Jun 2008 02:23 #35

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Used Minolta Konica on E-bay 120.00 and 11.00 for shipping. If your looking for one, 4 mega pixels is still good quality. Look for a camera with a good lens and good optical zoom and USB connection to the computer. With new cameras with higher mega pixels coming out there are a lot of good used cameras up for auction on E-bay.

Firewire is the best. It is a steady stream, whereas USB is in bursts...
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 19 Jun 2008 02:29 #36

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Firewire is the best. It is a steady stream, whereas USB is in bursts...

True, but not everyone has Firewire. My laptop came with USB and Firewire and your right the Firewire connection is much better I use that with my digital camcorder, which does not get used in barns near horses feet. The videos I posted were taken with a Kodak digital camera, no zoom, very low quality lens and the connection is USB. Easy to transfer to the computer and download to Photobucket.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 02:02 #37

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Here, I Put these on today. So you can see how little shaping these usually need. Old extremely serious ringbone horse.
Pigeon toed , medial branch narrower than the lateral.
And YES, the inside edge of the buttresses ARE covered. The clean, knifed areas showing inside the heel buttresses was just s****ed with the knife on the vertical surface of the bar they are down in the commisiure not on the ground surface.
And the overhanging toe of the foot was not yet dressed when this was taken. Here is a shoe unshaped next to the one shaped for that foot so you can see how little shaping there was. A bit of closing it, more in the medial branch, and a LITTLE turning the heels. And this is how I turn the heels of a thick, wide aluminum shoe in a hardy hole .
Size 2 PLR. Size 5 city slim delta nails.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 03:19 #38

Very good job Patty. As usaul your work supports your posts. I think Merlin Anderson would have shod that horse just the same;) as would I. Love the PLR's. Both of my rope horses wear them.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 15:59 #39

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Good Day to you Ms. Stiller.

One reason for feet blowing out in the quarters is fitting them too wide. Mostly due to the toe not fitting in the first place. The widest part of the shoe is way further forward than the widest part of the foot. If you brought the shoe out so it matched the widest part of the foot, you'd quickly notice how much the toe doesn't fit. I suspect you live in a drier climate where it takes longer for the hoof to distort. In areas that are wet or wet/dry/wet, feet blow apart when fit like this.

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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 23:05 #40

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I gottcha, looks really nice Patty. I got to take another stab at them, especially since I ordered a bunch. I'll try to get a pair on a horse this week and take some pics. Patty what does that horse do for a living?

Eric I'm assuming you've never visited CO to see their mud and rocky terrain. Everytime I've been there it's pretty wet and you can sink up to your knees in the mud they have. I thought we had bad mud until I went to CO.
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 23:24 #41

Eric op: One reason for feet blowing out in the quarters is fitting them too wide. Mostly due to the toe not fitting in the first place. The widest part of the shoe is way further forward than the widest part of the foot. If you brought the shoe out so it matched the widest part of the foot, you'd quickly notice how much the toe doesn't fit. I suspect you live in a drier climate where it takes longer for the hoof to distort. In areas that are wet or wet/dry/wet, feet blow apart when fit like this.


I live in the pacific NW, in the Willamette valley we have extremely wet weather and in the summer its wet, dry, wet and I have NEVER, NEVER had a problem with hoofs "blowing" out in the quarters.:confused: I shoe horses with the same principles as Patty, I think I would have made the same choice.

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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 23:26 #42

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I gottcha, looks really nice Patty. I got to take another stab at them, especially since I ordered a bunch. I'll try to get a pair on a horse this week and take some pics. Patty what does that horse do for a living?

Eric I'm assuming you've never visited CO to see their mud and rocky terrain. Everytime I've been there it's pretty wet and you can sink up to your knees in the mud they have. I thought we had bad mud until I went to CO.

Nick,if you had a choice of having a horse running threw mud and the shoe stayed on but it caused more of a suckshion than without out a shoe and the
horse pulled a tendon,which would you rather happen? the shoe staying on?
of have it come off?
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RE:PLR and Centre Fit 21 Jun 2008 23:28 #43

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I live in the pacific NW, in the Willamette valley we have extremely wet weather and in the summer its wet, dry, wet and I have NEVER, NEVER had a problem with hoofs "blowing" out in the quarters.:confused: I shoe horses with the same principles as Patty, I think I would have made the same choice.

Phil.

Good evening to you Phil!

Can you please give a good explanation as to why you would fit a shoe with the widest part of it way up between the 2nd and 3rd nail hole which is extremely far forward of the widest part of the foot. Seeing how you use the same principles, does NB suggest shapeing the shoe so the widest part of it is forward of the coa? I don't understand it and I don't see how it makes the best use of the plr.

Thank You very very much in advance
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PerformanceHorseshoeing wrote:

Eric I'm assuming you've never visited CO to see their mud and rocky terrain. Everytime I've been there it's pretty wet and you can sink up to your knees in the mud they have. I thought we had bad mud until I went to CO.


Good evening Nick! Hope you get plenty of fishing in this summer!

Hows the humidity and horseflies in CO?

Thank You
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