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Need a few pointers,,,,,, 11 Jun 2008 23:38 #1

I am having a bear of a time forge welding toe clips for my morgan, Arab and saddlebred horses that show in the various park pleasure, and assorted other classes. I used to just mig them on, and then grind the weld, but I would like to forego dragging the mig with me, and just use my forge. I have welded dozens of bar shoes in the past with no problem, but I'm having trouble with welding two seperate peices of steel. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 11 Jun 2008 23:47 #2

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I get both peice hot first, then apply flux, go about welding as usual. The two pieces should stick if you push down with your hammer before putting it in the forge to weld.

How are you overlapping the two pieces to be welded?
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 00:01 #3

Well, what I'm doing is cutting a piece of 3/16X1" to about 3 inches. Then I grind the clip out of the last inch and a half, to two inches, and then leave the rest to lie ontop of the shoe. I'm trying to weld the clip to the top of the shoe, and then forge out the excess steel so it looks nice and even, then bend the clip up, at least that was the plan I have in my head. Would you suggest that I try to just weld the clip to the toe of the shoe?
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 00:08 #4

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I would have the shoe and clip parallel to each other. I would weld the clip on the web of the shoe on the hoof surface. Then bend the clip up.
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 00:11 #5

O.K., that's what I was planning. What I wasn't doing was getting both heated up first, I was just heating the shoe, then adding flux, and then the clip, and trying to heat it all up again, I'll do what you said before about heating both the shoe, and the clip together. Thank you for your time, it's appreciated.:D
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 01:30 #6

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Its been awhile, but I think if you draw the toe of the shoe out a little bit, you'll have some metal to scarf together with the toe clip. So when you turn it, it'll be less likely to split from the shoe.
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 01:42 #7

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Eric Russell wrote:
Its been awhile, but I think if you draw the toe of the shoe out a little bit, you'll have some metal to scarf together with the toe clip. So when you turn it, it'll be less likely to split from the shoe.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Eric... weld the clip AFTER the toe is turned...just a thought...:p
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 01:53 #8

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Carleton,
Take a Monday off and drive to Memory Lane farm at the corner of Rt. 252 and 57. Get there about 9:30 am. Go around behind the barn on the west end and look for the Toyota pickup attached to the smokestack and shoeing area they built for him and you will find Mr. Ken Wurst. Introduce yourself.
DO NOT TELL HIM ANYTHING but ask him in a humble manner if he would be kind enough to show you how to forge weld a toe clip. If you are lucky he may find it in his heart to demonstrate, once again, the proper way to forge weld a saddlebred toe clip. While you are waiting for him to decide, watch very closely everything he does for he has shod more champions than most of us will ever see. And it wouldn't hurt to sweep up after him a little bit.
Oh just so the rest of you know who he is, Ken has won the live shoeing, the specialty forging and the saddlebred shoes at conventions past.:cool:
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 03:03 #9

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high performance shoeing wrote:
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Eric... weld the clip AFTER the toe is turned...just a thought...:p

ummmmmmmmm.... Nick... I'd hope the shoe was already made and then the clip jump welded on making a toe extension. At some point your gonna have to turn it up and set it. I'm sure if you give it a go you'll know what I'm talking about when I say it splits.;) Cold shuts don't look all that great on the ground surface of the shoe. And welds tearing away because you don't have a solid weld don't only look bad, they fail over time!
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 04:50 #10

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The easiest way that i have found to jump weld these clips was shown to me by Jim Keith. It's kind of the ccheating way at first but will get you where you wanna be. Turn your shoe punch and prepare for weldin. Draw a small (I mean) small source hole from the foot surfuce(corner of the anvil) and then draw a small i mean smell clip. Take a small headstamp and punch a hole through the clip toward the tip. Size three nail works for this. Then take the clip you forged out of your stock and punch a whole in it for the same nail. Hold the two pieces so you can see through tehm with the wholes and drop your nail in. Forge it down, The nail will keep it in place. Flux and weld. If you wellded it right the source hole for the clip should not be seen. This is the easiest way i have found to do it without a stryker. After a few of these you should be able to do it without riveting with the nail. Just flux the hell out of it. i use borax.
Hope it helps a little::D

Dan
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 21:49 #11

You know, I think I just might head up to memory lane and pay him a visit. I've had the pleasure of meeting hiom a couple times in the past, but haven't gotten to see him work, It should be a real treat, thank you.
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 12 Jun 2008 21:57 #12

And,,,Thanks to all of you for the advice.:D
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RE:Need a few pointers,,,,,, 16 Jun 2008 15:31 #13

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Are all you guys talking about jump welding this clip in a gasser?

-josh
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